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I know that people have been making that statement for a while (see thread title) but the reasons for it have not been put forward or discussed.
Nvidia as we know it are in absolutely lots of trouble. Again, that isn't very clear so let me put out some of the facts and then you can decide.
1.I guess by now we have all heard of and about SandyBridge from Intel yes? So what does that have to do with Nvidia being in trouble?
Well, it was mentioned elsewhere that there don't seem to be any choices of SLI boards with Nforce chipsets now. It isn't because Nvidia don't want to make them and are not bothering it is simply because Intel will not allow Nvidia to have any X86 licenses. Basically what I am saying is this - Intel do not allow Nvidia to make chipsets for any new Intel X86 CPUs. With this news reaching AMD between the two companies they are putting the squeeze on Nvidia. This means that Nvidia are now completely and utterly out of the chipset race.
Nobody quite knows why, and I would imagine the reasons are in a CEO's head somewhere, but that is the first cold hard fact. That removes a large chunk of business from Nvidia. Some say it is because Intel do not want Nvidia competing with their Sandybridge chipset and discrete GPU. On the subject of Intel's discreet GPU, well, it beats a Radeon 5450 hands down at around 80% of benchmarked games and applications. I would strongly imagine that Intel do not want any competition on their X86 boards. Basically Intel want to use their CPUs they designed with their motherboards using their discreet GPUs. They have not left any openings for Nvidia to put their discreet GPUs onto motherboards, not granted them a license to make chipsets for Intel CPU socketted motherboards.
So, that means no more Nforce guys.
Intel has even cut Nvidia out of the Atom chipset business too with its Pineview platform meaning that its next generation ION is really just a GPU. Meaning they won't want or need any business from Nvidia.
2. AMD was in serious trouble with its funds a while back. However, with the takeover of ATI and the ability to make their own chipsets and be completely independant of Intel and Nvidia they are now a very strong force to be reakoned with. Not as strong as Intel maybe, but very strong in the gaming world. The great part of this however is that being independant they do not need to rely on any one else or worry about any one else to get their stuff done. This is terrible news for Nvidia who must rely on other companies for a large slice of their business.
3. Being that Fermi is an epic failure (please don't argue this point with me) Nvidia do not have much left to play with. If you would like to argue this point with me then please, read the following.
Losing $141m in three months.
Huge delays due to TSMC's 40nm manufacturing process.
The cards being way too hot and power hungry and only marginally faster than ATI cards to be able to compete with ATI.
Losing a dispute with Rambus over a patent (and having to cease production of anything that uses a DDRx or GDDRx memory controller) they are now stuck making very few cards they can actually sell.
The latest figures from Mercury Research shows that ATI have overtaken Nvidia in the discrete GPU market.
Software companies stating that proprietory APIs (Cuda, Physx, Directcompute) are a hinderance as they artificially limit an application (or game)'s audience.
Statistics from the latest Steam hardware survey shows that so few gamers are using a Fermi GPU that they're listed in the 'other' section at the bottom of the popularity table.
That doesn't really leave them with much does it? and the overall outlook looks amazingly bleak.
Oh BTW for the record Nvidia did not drop XFX, XFX dropped them.
Nvidia as we know it are in absolutely lots of trouble. Again, that isn't very clear so let me put out some of the facts and then you can decide.
1.I guess by now we have all heard of and about SandyBridge from Intel yes? So what does that have to do with Nvidia being in trouble?
Well, it was mentioned elsewhere that there don't seem to be any choices of SLI boards with Nforce chipsets now. It isn't because Nvidia don't want to make them and are not bothering it is simply because Intel will not allow Nvidia to have any X86 licenses. Basically what I am saying is this - Intel do not allow Nvidia to make chipsets for any new Intel X86 CPUs. With this news reaching AMD between the two companies they are putting the squeeze on Nvidia. This means that Nvidia are now completely and utterly out of the chipset race.
Nobody quite knows why, and I would imagine the reasons are in a CEO's head somewhere, but that is the first cold hard fact. That removes a large chunk of business from Nvidia. Some say it is because Intel do not want Nvidia competing with their Sandybridge chipset and discrete GPU. On the subject of Intel's discreet GPU, well, it beats a Radeon 5450 hands down at around 80% of benchmarked games and applications. I would strongly imagine that Intel do not want any competition on their X86 boards. Basically Intel want to use their CPUs they designed with their motherboards using their discreet GPUs. They have not left any openings for Nvidia to put their discreet GPUs onto motherboards, not granted them a license to make chipsets for Intel CPU socketted motherboards.
So, that means no more Nforce guys.
Intel has even cut Nvidia out of the Atom chipset business too with its Pineview platform meaning that its next generation ION is really just a GPU. Meaning they won't want or need any business from Nvidia.
2. AMD was in serious trouble with its funds a while back. However, with the takeover of ATI and the ability to make their own chipsets and be completely independant of Intel and Nvidia they are now a very strong force to be reakoned with. Not as strong as Intel maybe, but very strong in the gaming world. The great part of this however is that being independant they do not need to rely on any one else or worry about any one else to get their stuff done. This is terrible news for Nvidia who must rely on other companies for a large slice of their business.
3. Being that Fermi is an epic failure (please don't argue this point with me) Nvidia do not have much left to play with. If you would like to argue this point with me then please, read the following.
Losing $141m in three months.
Huge delays due to TSMC's 40nm manufacturing process.
The cards being way too hot and power hungry and only marginally faster than ATI cards to be able to compete with ATI.
Losing a dispute with Rambus over a patent (and having to cease production of anything that uses a DDRx or GDDRx memory controller) they are now stuck making very few cards they can actually sell.
The latest figures from Mercury Research shows that ATI have overtaken Nvidia in the discrete GPU market.
Software companies stating that proprietory APIs (Cuda, Physx, Directcompute) are a hinderance as they artificially limit an application (or game)'s audience.
Statistics from the latest Steam hardware survey shows that so few gamers are using a Fermi GPU that they're listed in the 'other' section at the bottom of the popularity table.
That doesn't really leave them with much does it? and the overall outlook looks amazingly bleak.
Oh BTW for the record Nvidia did not drop XFX, XFX dropped them.
