Whilst the RTX 4090 redefined performance, the RTX 4080 is priced towards those who also need to eat. We find out how it compares to both the new Ada Lovelace and the old Ampere.
Nvidia GeForce RTX 4080 Founders Edition Review
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Nvidia GeForce RTX 4080 Founders Edition Review
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Whilst the RTX 4090 redefined performance, the RTX 4080 is priced towards those who also need to eat. We find out how it compares to both the new Ada Lovelace and the old Ampere.
Nvidia GeForce RTX 4080 Founders Edition Review
KingNosser
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Vote with your wallet, they will just keep pushing up the prices each gen otherwise just like they have and fully intend to do even if they dont sell as many they are still making bank.
AMD have the chance now to take market share, i do hope more people give them a chance fine i won my 6800XT but it's been amazing to use, many heated disscussions but it has been a solid card and in rasta easily kept up with the 3080 so if the XTX or XT keep up with the price points do not neglect the chance of trying them now AMD have come a long way.
Sure given time they will do the same as nvidia like all companies they say they care about gamers and gaming, but in truth they care about there inverstors and margins and nothing else.
Corsair I still feel is one of the few companys that give some value even thou it's been cheapened over time, EVGA good on them they would have made nothing from these cards and had to sell them far far higher like others will do so.
It's a shame that we can't have prices like 20 years ago and we got huge value with them cards back then and in some senses far better games.
AMD have the chance now to take market share, i do hope more people give them a chance fine i won my 6800XT but it's been amazing to use, many heated disscussions but it has been a solid card and in rasta easily kept up with the 3080 so if the XTX or XT keep up with the price points do not neglect the chance of trying them now AMD have come a long way.
Sure given time they will do the same as nvidia like all companies they say they care about gamers and gaming, but in truth they care about there inverstors and margins and nothing else.
Corsair I still feel is one of the few companys that give some value even thou it's been cheapened over time, EVGA good on them they would have made nothing from these cards and had to sell them far far higher like others will do so.
It's a shame that we can't have prices like 20 years ago and we got huge value with them cards back then and in some senses far better games.
AlienALX
Well-known member
Nah they won't.
I have a feeling AMD are going to be really aggressive this round. Because they already are.
The 6900XT can be had for £649 at the moment with £100 in actually very good incoming games. A 6900XT offers around 85% of the raster performance as this, at half the price.
People ain't daft, as can clearly be seen on OCUK at the moment.
I have a feeling AMD are going to be really aggressive this round. Because they already are.
The 6900XT can be had for £649 at the moment with £100 in actually very good incoming games. A 6900XT offers around 85% of the raster performance as this, at half the price.
People ain't daft, as can clearly be seen on OCUK at the moment.
KingNosser
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I've seen 3090's on ebay around £750 even that is better than any of the new batch from nvidia if people are so sure to stick with them, that is basically what a 4080 is anyways and oh £450 cheaper let alone an AIB card that you know will be near 4090FE price let alone the cost of an AIB.
Nvidia will keep pushing prices up they have done it for several generations now the last good value card they had at the top end was the 1080ti that is still a decent card today, never see prices like it again.
AMD will win some market share and there mid range should be similar after all you know nvidia want £500 for a 4060 it's like the crypto market never went away yet they are competing with all them surplus cards flooding the market, there prices do not reflect the current situation.
I still also feel that AMD could go lower on these XTX XT models easily, but they want profit same as any other the only reason they haven't lowered them is they can do so over time rather than be fully aggresive and if they need to can drop the price by a lot.
Nvidia will keep pushing prices up they have done it for several generations now the last good value card they had at the top end was the 1080ti that is still a decent card today, never see prices like it again.
AMD will win some market share and there mid range should be similar after all you know nvidia want £500 for a 4060 it's like the crypto market never went away yet they are competing with all them surplus cards flooding the market, there prices do not reflect the current situation.
I still also feel that AMD could go lower on these XTX XT models easily, but they want profit same as any other the only reason they haven't lowered them is they can do so over time rather than be fully aggresive and if they need to can drop the price by a lot.
Dicehunter
Resident Newb
I said a few years ago when Nvidia did their pricing experiment with the 2080 Ti to see how many would buy it -
"We are not far off £1000 xx70 cards"
And it's becoming a reality, In a few more years we'll be very close to £1000 xx50 cards.
KingNosser
Well-known member
I expect the 4070ti/408012GB will be £1000 which also means expect the even weaker 4070 that in reality should most likely be a 4060 to be £800 so maybe the 4060 will be £600 which is way way way off the £300 they sold at for years, hell even the 970 was as cheap.
Nvidia have gone way off course with pricing it's forced greed to keep 3000 series prices high to sell off the stock, but they are competing with a full to the brim 2nd hand market and any normal person if they wanted one would seek out a good seller and buy it there.
It's true I don't like nvidia and i had many many cards from them but over the years the taste in my mouth got worse and worse, just can't support them or want them to succeed would rather Intel get there act together and take over their place.
Nvidia have gone way off course with pricing it's forced greed to keep 3000 series prices high to sell off the stock, but they are competing with a full to the brim 2nd hand market and any normal person if they wanted one would seek out a good seller and buy it there.
It's true I don't like nvidia and i had many many cards from them but over the years the taste in my mouth got worse and worse, just can't support them or want them to succeed would rather Intel get there act together and take over their place.
23RO_UK
New member
I think that's a sentiment many feel just now dude, my next GPU will certainly be an AMD flavoured product; the other saving grace being AMD use tried and tested power connectors.
AngryGoldfish
Old N Gold
I don't think Nvidia is going to raise prices again next year. I think they'll do another 'Ampere' and play the hero. They'll say they've 'cracked the code' of Moore's Law and made their 5000 series of products recession-proof. They'll spin themselves as saviours of PC gaming, and people will buy their cards in troves again. Everyone who could buy Ampere bought Ampere... the same people that lambasted Nvidia for Turing. The only way you can hurt Nvidia is by buying AMD and never buying an Nvidia product again, ever. That's my personal goal.
AlienALX
Well-known member
They can only do another Ampere by going back to Samsung. And I am not sure that is even possible.
These GPUS? TSMC+70%. Ampere? Samsung +70%. Turing was also TSMC+70%.
And don't forget why Nvidia went to Samsung in the first place. So you can bet that TSMC reaaaaaaally made them pay up when they came back grovelling.
AngryGoldfish
Old N Gold
While you are likely to be right, it's hard to say for sure. Nvidia have pulled rabbits out of the hat before without a die shrink. Maxwell was still 28nm.
AlienALX
Well-known member
Maxwell was the complete opposite of Ampere, though. And Turing.
28nm wafers would have been really cheap. And they stripped out all of the crap with Kepler, making gaming GPUs. Which are totally different to what you see now.
Turing was Pascal with deep learning stuff for servers bolted to it. Ampere was their first true deep learning core.
The problem is not just the die size. It is that crap gamers don't want or ever need is now being sold to them. RT? is just a ruse. It is a way for Nvidia to sell you server and workstation cards for gaming. End of. RT is just how they have disguised it. That is their marketing strategy.
And because of that and the fact that each shrink gets exponentially harder and MUCH more expensive? those costs are being passed onto you, the gamer. Who really desperately needed 24gb VRAM
These ARE NOT gaming cards. They never were. AMD on the other hand? after Vega 7 started to make true gaming cards again. And as the gens go on you will see this, as they should get CHEAPER like they just have, whilst ago getting faster every gen.
It won't be long before gamers have one choice. Posers? will continue to pose.
AngryGoldfish
Old N Gold
Maxwell was the complete opposite of Ampere, though. And Turing.
28nm wafers would have been really cheap. And they stripped out all of the crap with Kepler, making gaming GPUs. Which are totally different to what you see now.
Turing was Pascal with deep learning stuff for servers bolted to it. Ampere was their first true deep learning core.
The problem is not just the die size. It is that crap gamers don't want or ever need is now being sold to them. RT? is just a ruse. It is a way for Nvidia to sell you server and workstation cards for gaming. End of. RT is just how they have disguised it. That is their marketing strategy.
And because of that and the fact that each shrink gets exponentially harder and MUCH more expensive? those costs are being passed onto you, the gamer. Who really desperately needed 24gb VRAM
These ARE NOT gaming cards. They never were. AMD on the other hand? after Vega 7 started to make true gaming cards again. And as the gens go on you will see this, as they should get CHEAPER like they just have, whilst ago getting faster every gen.
It won't be long before gamers have one choice. Posers? will continue to pose.
That's a good point.
AdoredTV's latest video on RT performance goes along with your point. I don't think his results are totally accurate because games may have seen updates to their Ray-Tracing that make them more demanding. But it does point to a harsh truth: Nvidia has thrown tons of RT performance in their GPUs and yet have only seen a 10% increase generation over generation. The performance jumps that we see in graphs are to do with the 50% raster increases, not RT.
AlienALX
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oUfEHzVt_s&ab_channel=AdoredTV
Ignoring all of the tech stuff? 20 years.
It will be 20 years before RT catches up with raster. IE, before it comes at 0 penalty.
That's actually really depressing.
Ignoring all of the tech stuff? 20 years.
It will be 20 years before RT catches up with raster. IE, before it comes at 0 penalty.
That's actually really depressing.
AngryGoldfish
Old N Gold
I never believed that game developers would have an easier time coding their games using Ray-Tracing either. Wasn't DX12 and Vulkan and all these supposed to make game design easier? Have consumers seen the benefits of that? Have studios benefited in tangible ways? From what I can see, nothing's changed.
AlienALX
Well-known member
Exactly. So many supposed magic bullets over the years.
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