Nvidia 16GB RTX 3070 Ti has been spotted inside Lenovo's Legion T7 system

The 3080 is likely going to offer more than 4k/60. The 2080Ti has been doing that the last 18 months, so it stands to reason the 3080 will offer more like 4k/90.

Someone from Nvidia recently spoke about VRAM usage when asked whether the current limits of 8 and 10GB would be enough. And I felt convinced by his reasoning. He mentioned being in touch with game developers. These are the people building next gen console games, not you or I. You could absolutely damn Nvidia and say that they just want you to buy Geforce 4000 series when they're released or upgrade to a 16GB 3070 from your 8GB 3070, but that doesn't make sense for Nvidia to do that.

https://twitter.com/billykhan/statu...eads/nvidia-3xxx-series-thread.377254/page-18

Well they don't seem to be very in touch with ID's head coder Billy Khan.

You're right though, it doesn't make sense for Nvidia to do that. Not until they know for a fact they have beaten AMD and can return to stupidity.

There are two reasons why this round of cards is "cheap".

1. AMD (the consoles) and
2. AMD (Big Navi and the unknown).

I absolutely promise you that as soon as AMD have shown their hand it will be back to ridiculously priced cards with more VRAM.
 
https://twitter.com/billykhan/statu...eads/nvidia-3xxx-series-thread.377254/page-18

Well they don't seem to be very in touch with ID's head coder Billy Khan.

You're right though, it doesn't make sense for Nvidia to do that. Not until they know for a fact they have beaten AMD and can return to stupidity.

There are two reasons why this round of cards is "cheap".

1. AMD (the consoles) and
2. AMD (Big Navi and the unknown).

I absolutely promise you that as soon as AMD have shown their hand it will be back to ridiculously priced cards with more VRAM.

But he says 8GB is enough for next generation. That's partly my point. So many people are damning the 3070 a bit OTT. It makes no sense for Nvidia to release a card in that class with 8GB of VRAM that will within 6-12 months become incapable of performing its intended purpose. Nvidia doesn't just want you to buy a card, they want you to buy a card and be happy with it. Consumer satisfaction earns consumers. Consumer dissatisfaction is not things like the RTX 2080 being overpriced or Nvidia disabling SLI on the GTX 960. It's not even the 3.5GB VRAM issue with the GTX 970. All of these things didn't affect gaming in any meaningful way. But if Nvidia releases a GPU that becomes useless as you're suggesting within 12 months, that's bad for Nvidia.

But reading that quote from ID's Billy Khan would make me consider a different GPU to the 3070 if I wanted a 4k/60 or 1440p/120 card to keep for the next 3-5 years.
 
But he says 8GB is enough for next generation. That's partly my point. So many people are damning the 3070 a bit OTT. It makes no sense for Nvidia to release a card in that class with 8GB of VRAM that will within 6-12 months become incapable of performing its intended purpose. Nvidia doesn't just want you to buy a card, they want you to buy a card and be happy with it. Consumer satisfaction earns consumers. Consumer dissatisfaction is not things like the RTX 2080 being overpriced or Nvidia disabling SLI on the GTX 960. It's not even the 3.5GB VRAM issue with the GTX 970. All of these things didn't affect gaming in any meaningful way. But if Nvidia releases a GPU that becomes useless as you're suggesting within 12 months, that's bad for Nvidia.

But reading that quote from ID's Billy Khan would make me consider a different GPU to the 3070 if I wanted a 4k/60 or 1440p/120 card to keep for the next 3-5 years.

Enough for what? 1080p? baking cakes?

It's certainly not 4k, which Nvidia have been utterly obsessed with since its inception because it has always left people wanting.

We're finally about to get two consoles that fill those needs and wants.

I just wish those consoles would come out sooner :D
 
Enough for what? 1080p? baking cakes?

It's certainly not 4k, which Nvidia have been utterly obsessed with since its inception because it has always left people wanting.

We're finally about to get two consoles that fill those needs and wants.

I just wish those consoles would come out sooner :D

you and your consoles... :D :D :D
 
Enough for what? 1080p? baking cakes?

It's certainly not 4k, which Nvidia have been utterly obsessed with since its inception because it has always left people wanting.

We're finally about to get two consoles that fill those needs and wants.

I just wish those consoles would come out sooner :D

Enough for what Nvidia wants to market the card as, and enough for what consumers should be educated by reviewers and the media to require. If Nvidia decide to market the card as a 4k/120 max settings card for all current and future titles, that would be foolish. And if you believe as a consumer that that's what you're going to be getting for £400, that would be foolish.

ID Software made Doom Eternal. Doom Eternal at 4k with the Nightmare setting enabled performs better on a 1080Ti than an RTX 2080 even though the 2080 performs better at 1080p and 1440p (but on average the 2080 performs better than a 1080Ti, even at 4k). This proves that 8GB is not enough for 4k with those settings to perform optimally in Doom Eternal. But does the game stop functioning? No, it runs fine from what I can tell.

But how many people are going to buy a 3070 and expect 4k Doom Eternal Nightmare mode to run perfectly with only 8GB? Are Nvidia going to market the 3070 as that? It's a midrange GPU that has been put into the shoes of a flagship (by Nvidia but mostly by the media and us), just because it's better than we thought it would be. The majority of titles do not require more than 8GB of VRAM right now, and I personally believe it's likely they won't for quite a while. That's my opinion based on what I've seen.

The consoles having more VRAM to pool doesn't prove it won't be enough. The PS4 has 8GB of VRAM that it shares with system RAM. Yet 4GB has been enough for the majority of games during its long life-cycle, even at 4k. The PS4 came out in late 2013. What was the first game to demand more than 4GB of VRAM? If you go back to the 980Ti reviews in May 2015 (so two years almost after the PS4 was released), the performance difference between the 980Ti and Titan X was tiny. Two years later with Pascal, games were still only sipping VRAM. I went through a bunch of games just now and all the way up until very recently, 90% or more of the games did not require more than 4GB of VRAM. Yet the consoles had more VRAM than that. That tells me that the instant console games are released, 8GB isn't going to be snorted and scoffed at. Even TPU with their Doom Eternal review recommend 8GB as the ideal VRAM amount.

Ultimately, if you want a 1440p/144hz or 1080p/240hz card for good money, I can see the 3070 being a solid option. If you don't fit into that category, you might be better off elsewhere. No dramatics. Just do your research and pick the card that's best suited for your needs.

Nvidia chose to offer the 3070 for 8GB for a reason. They're not idiots. They're not all foaming at the mouth for the next share price hike. I'm personally gonna wait and see what happens. But I don't think the card is gonna be useless come mid next year when a whole slew of next gen games are out.
 
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