No 7nm GPU Announced From Nvidia on GTC 2019...

[tolagarf]

So no new 7nm GPU announced from nvidia at this years GTC... Usually what we see is ahead of the launch of a new generation of gaming cards, is the professional version for datacenters, then the Quadro cards, and then shortly after the gaming cards. But this year... nope!

What does this mean for this years launch of the RTX 3000 series I do wonder? Is it going to happen at all? Will we have to become comfortable with only having the RTX 2000 series for a long time I wonder, just like we had the GTX 1000 series for almost 2½ years? It's not really like there's more room for another gaming card above the 2080 Ti anyway, unless Nvidia decides to bring back the xx85 card for some odd reason

 

[WYP]

To be honest, what Nvidia doesn't want right now is to make people get in the "wait for (insert GPU name here)" mentality.

Nvidia will reveal new GPUs closer to the time and not seven months after Turing's reveal. It would be silly for Nvidia to reveal post-Turing before all of the Turing GPUs have launched. At a minimum, we still have the GTX 1650 coming (based on rumours).

 

[grec]

I've also read NVidia may tap Samsung for 7nm instead of TSMC, as they will have EUV first, but realistically that means 2020 for consumer launches at the earliest.

 

[tolagarf]

To be honest, what Nvidia doesn't want right now is to make people get in the "wait for (insert GPU name here)" mentality.

Nvidia will reveal new GPUs closer to the time and not seven months after Turing's reveal. It would be silly for Nvidia to reveal post-Turing before all of the Turing GPUs have launched. At a minimum, we still have the GTX 1650 coming (based on rumours).

I guess my suspicion is that we'll see a refresh this fall around the same time again, or another Titan, then next generation in 2020 sometime. I just hope they don't do that lame Ti release right at the beginning again to make an accuse to raise the price

 

[Kaapstad]

To be honest, what Nvidia doesn't want right now is to make people get in the "wait for (insert GPU name here)" mentality.

This^

I remember all the people saying wait for the 20XX cards, now they are available people would rather buy a 1080 Ti for silly money.

 

[tolagarf]

This^

I remember all the people saying wait for the 20XX cards, now they are available people would rather buy a 1080 Ti for silly money.

Well obviously... People felt they got less for more with the RTX 2080 compared to the GTX 1080 Ti. A slightly slower graphics card overall, 3 GB less VRAM, and new features that weren't even supported (and still isn't with the exception of a few) by games. It's evident by the fact that my Asus Strix GTX 1080 Ti OC model can be sold right now on the used market for about 660 Euro.

An overflow of RTX 2080 stock lately caused those cards to be on sale nearly every weekend in Denmark with prices all the way down to 670 Euro, yet the RTX 2080 Ti cards are still out of stock in many places. For example the MSI RTX 2080 Ti Duke has been sold out for 5 months, some people still have them on order and not getting them. That being said it's not impossible to get a RTX 2080 Ti, just not for a decent price.

 

[grec]

That's because people expected to be able to actually afford 2000 series cards to be fair, for a while you could get a GTX1080Ti for the same price as the cheapest RTX card. Besides NVidia also messed up massively with the marketing for the 2000 series, so bad they had to revert to making up a new branding series for their mainstream cards.

Realistically, as soon as NVidia can create something faster than Volta on 7nm for enterprise customers they will because that market can't wait around, presumably the yields of pre-EUV 7nm aren't strong enough to allow for the >450mm^2 dies required to match GV100's core count, which I guess Vega20's 331mm^2 die with seemingly spotty yields has proven so far.

For reference, AMD/TSMC refer to EUV 7nm as 7nm+, and I don't think we should expect any truly big die 7nm GPUs until that comes. Modern node transitions take a while until they're favourable for big high performance devices, hence why Intel are waiting until 10nm++ till they replace 14nm for performance parts too, and why they brought out 22nm refreshes on desktop for around 18 months after 14nm "launched".