Next gen Nvidia cards?

[AlienALX]

And yet you site another rumor. So maybe it does indeed take one because so far nobody has any source.

It's hardly a rumour. There are no 1080Tis and the very few there are left are stupid money. Like I said, it's not hard to figure out. Scan are charing £900+ for the few they have left. It's turn and burn. The more you have to turn the more you can burn meaning you can sell them for less and still make the same gross profit. When numbers are fewer you up the price so that even if you only sell half you still make the same gross profit.

Some people have said it is greed, gouging etc but these companies need to stay in business. So you use simple economics to figure it out. Sure, it may sound like Scan are making huge sums of money but they would make just as much selling loads of cards art a lower price.

Just had a further poke through Scan and it seems most of them are overdue since last December or 2nd of Jan. Now unless Nvidia are completely incompetent there has to be a reason for that.

Scan will know. So will OCUK and etc. And that is why they are charging a king's ransom for what they have left.

 

[Eddie long]

Maybe it's time to move on my slightly used 1070oc strix cards in preparation for something new

 

[NeverBackDown]

It's hardly a rumour. There are no 1080Tis and the very few there are left are stupid money. Like I said, it's not hard to figure out. Scan are charing £900+ for the few they have left. It's turn and burn. The more you have to turn the more you can burn meaning you can sell them for less and still make the same gross profit. When numbers are fewer you up the price so that even if you only sell half you still make the same gross profit.

Some people have said it is greed, gouging etc but these companies need to stay in business. So you use simple economics to figure it out. Sure, it may sound like Scan are making huge sums of money but they would make just as much selling loads of cards art a lower price.

Just had a further poke through Scan and it seems most of them are overdue since last December or 2nd of Jan. Now unless Nvidia are completely incompetent there has to be a reason for that.

Scan will know. So will OCUK and etc. And that is why they are charging a king's ransom for what they have left.

You always have a long answer for everything don't you?

The reason they are so few is because everything is running on a shortage. Really not difficult to figure out. If you even bothered to read anything Nvidia is trying to increase supply as much as possible. So you going to believe your rumor or the fact that Nvidia is increasing supply?

 

[TheF34RChannel]

Reuters isn't bad but it's just the fact that this rumor has spread so far that everybody is just following along because if everybody is doing it it must be true.

Indeed, there is no real listed source and everyone is banging on that single outing - me included; I am equally guilty, because I'm so very eager, admittedly.

You always have a long answer for everything don't you?

The reason they are so few is because everything is running on a shortage. Really not difficult to figure out. If you even bothered to read anything Nvidia is trying to increase supply as much as possible. So you going to believe your rumor or the fact that Nvidia is increasing supply?

I would like to suggest a third option: Nvidia have now twice said that they will try and work the shortage because maybe 1) they have to say something, or maybe 2) they didn't say which architecture/family they are currently producing (might as well be the new one, I'm reaching, I'm aware).

I also think that the shortage is twofold: cryptocurrency miners and Pascal EOL. It makes the most sense to me.

 

[NeverBackDown]

Indeed, there is no real listed source and everyone is banging on that single outing - me included; I am equally guilty, because I'm so very eager, admittedly.



I would like to suggest a third option: Nvidia have now twice said that they will try and work the shortage because maybe 1) they have to say something, or maybe 2) they didn't say which architecture/family they are currently producing (might as well be the new one, I'm reaching, I'm aware).

I also think that the shortage is twofold: cryptocurrency miners and Pascal EOL. It makes the most sense to me.

Why would Nvidia increase production of a generation of cards that aren't out nor announced yet to gamers? They have already said they have increased supply as much as possible but memory supply is next to none. They have cards sitting waiting for memory shipments. That is what is causing the delay.

It's widely known memory is the culprit here. Miners aren't at fault but they sure didn't help deplete the supply faster and now we have a situation where miners and gamers are fighting over supply. That is what is going on.

If Nvidia don't have GDDR6 on their next cards then that eats into supply too. So if they come out within the next few months we are still going to have extremely low supply, so whether you agree with me or not it makes no difference. Memory will still be the issue.

 

[AlienALX]

You always have a long answer for everything don't you?

The reason they are so few is because everything is running on a shortage. Really not difficult to figure out. If you even bothered to read anything Nvidia is trying to increase supply as much as possible. So you going to believe your rumor or the fact that Nvidia is increasing supply?

I don't believe the rumour I believe what my eyes can see. When a large UK supplier lists items as end of life it generally means, you know dude? end of life. IE - there are no more, the well is dry.

If you don't believe Nvidia have the capability to ramp up production enough to flood stores with stock then I can't help you with that. Let's just say they are a mega multi million dollar company and so if they are not capable of that they would be a laughing stock. The fact that they are clearly not also speaks volumes.

The "rumour" about TSMC has nothing to do with my own findings from simply looking around with my own eyes. That only came up today, please feel free to go back and read my posts over the past few weeks.

Why aren't EVGA fulfilling an expected order from Jan 2nd?

Why are their cards six weeks overdue? Mining has not affected the sales of 1080Ti or Titan Xp. Miners do not buy those cards. They are too expensive for the turnover.

Seriously, do you really mean to tell me Nvidia can't cope? that a multi million dollar per year company can't make enough GPUs? really?

There was no shortage of them before Christmas. There were loads, everywhere. As soon as Christmas ends stock dries up and is not replenished. So like I said elsewhere, either Jen is having a meltdown and wants to commit financial suicide or he is busy working on something else. EDIT TO ADD. There was also that very well timed message from Jen saying something along the lines of "Pascal is here for a while yet" or whatever it was. But that was basically a salesman speech saying "Hey, we're EOLing Pascal soon so I am just saying that so that we sell a s**t load of cards over Xmas. As I said then, why say it? why say anything? because he wanted to manipulate. That is what corporations do. They lie, double bluff and etc all of the time.

Not rocket science.

You always have a long answer for everything don't you?

Yes, yes I do. I am autistic. Thus, it takes a long time for me to explain things to neurotypicals like you with absolutely no patience.

 

[TheF34RChannel]

Why would Nvidia increase production of a generation of cards that aren't out nor announced yet to gamers? They have already said they have increased supply as much as possible but memory supply is next to none. They have cards sitting waiting for memory shipments. That is what is causing the delay.

It's widely known memory is the culprit here. Miners aren't at fault but they sure didn't help deplete the supply faster and now we have a situation where miners and gamers are fighting over supply. That is what is going on.

If Nvidia don't have GDDR6 on their next cards then that eats into supply too. So if they come out within the next few months we are still going to have extremely low supply, so whether you agree with me or not it makes no difference. Memory will still be the issue.

That would tie in with my point 1: they are just saying something without actually doing it because they have the next gen right around the corner: they're buying time and patience. I don't believe for a moment that they have any desire to produce more Pascal.

Forgot about the memory shortage, to me that's a third variable to the shortage.

Surely they'll have GDDR6 on the next cards. They'd be foolish not to.

 

[AlienALX]

That would tie in with my point 1: they are just saying something without actually doing it because they have the next gen right around the corner: they're buying time and patience. I don't believe for a moment that they have any desire to produce more Pascal.

Forgot about the memory shortage, to me that's a third variable to the shortage.

Surely they'll have GDDR6 on the next cards. They'd be foolish not to.

That's another thing. Materials. They can't just buy what they think they need, they need to buy in serious bulk (things like the PCBs and so on).

You can usually actually work it out by looking at orders placed (that is how AMD let the cat out of the bag by ordering like two custom PCBs lol). Then we knew Vega was in production.

 

[NeverBackDown]

Seriously, do you really mean to tell me Nvidia can't cope? that a multi million dollar per year company can't make enough GPUs? really?

There was no shortage of them before Christmas. There were loads, everywhere.Not rocket science.



Yes, yes I do. I am autistic. Thus, it takes a long time for me to explain things to neurotypicals like you with absolutely no patience.

It's not Nvidia that cannot cope. It's memory suppliers. So clearly it is rocket science because you obviosuly have failed to read what I have said. AMD are having this problem as well. It's MEMORY.

As for your comment about Xmas, that's wrong. There were still high prices and little stock. How do I know this? Because I was helping family buy parts for Xmas.

I have patience. I read tons of text everyday. However you consistently post long essays which is fine but 90% of it is repeating and you seem to ALWAYS somehow have an answer and "life example" of everything that ever comes up. It's just the same thing over and over.
You complain about Dice and his societal views and you think that's okay to do because he always talks about it. It's what I am doing to you. It's funny to see how angry you get when you get a taste of it isn't it? You bring up your autism which is irrelevant to this conversation in order to make me look bad and then throw an insult because it's somehow justified. BTW don't care if your autistic or not, you're still a person, it has no change of my opinion of you.

Please do not reply. We are done here. This isn't going anywhere. PM if you'd like but seriously let's drop it.

 

[jimma47]

Say the rumour is true and new gen cards come out April, how long after would the xx80 Ti version typically be? They're usually quite a few months after launch aren't they? Might be ready to replace my 980s by Christmas

 

[tannji]

Manufacturing is a speculative and scheduled business. To be realistic, Nvidia has less speculative risk than most others, due to lack of competition and the popularity of their product, but they are still completely adverse to running a surplus that might not move. Production runs are determined far in advance, so when circumstances like crypto mining or RAM shortages are either unforeseen or vastly more severe than anticipated, this shortage is the unavoidable result. Two factors play in to Nvidia not increasing supply (in addition to the pre scheduled production, and standing arrangements with foundry's) First, there is indeed a RAM shortage. Whether this was unavoidable, unforeseen, or a collusion to grab profit, Nvidia does not have control, and very little influence, other than that of favored trade partner. Second, whether you want to change GPU supply or not, due to agreements, finite manufacturer capacity, and the demand of the next generation of GPUs upon that capacity and supply, you literally can not suddenly throw down an order for 100,000 or significantly more units and demand that they hit shelves in a month, or even two. Nor is this short supply strictly the result of Nvidia not wanting to parasitize demand for next gen... because as AlienALX pointed out, a good portion of gamers will end up eventually buying the next gen because it's THE next gen, regardless of how recently they may have acquired current gen. Also, I know a lot of miners who ARE using flagship GPUs in mining. I am certain they are sacrificing profit or even losing long-term, but it is happening, and at reasonable scale, outside of mining farms.
BTW, I ordered my EVGA 1080ti SC2 hydro Copper Gaming on Friday the 9th, and got tracking for it on Monday the 12th. That card was not in stock most of that week, and got replenished, and is being bought in numbers. If you read EVGA's forums, this is not isolated, people are watching the product availability on the website, and buying without a huge amount of difficulty. Now, if it takes 6 weeks to get it, I have to report here with egg on face... but I don't anticipate that.

 

[AlienALX]

It's not Nvidia that cannot cope. It's memory suppliers. So clearly it is rocket science because you obviosuly have failed to read what I have said. AMD are having this problem as well. It's MEMORY.

As for your comment about Xmas, that's wrong. There were still high prices and little stock. How do I know this? Because I was helping family buy parts for Xmas.

I have patience. I read tons of text everyday. However you consistently post long essays which is fine but 90% of it is repeating and you seem to ALWAYS somehow have an answer and "life example" of everything that ever comes up. It's just the same thing over and over.
You complain about Dice and his societal views and you think that's okay to do because he always talks about it. It's what I am doing to you. It's funny to see how angry you get when you get a taste of it isn't it? You bring up your autism which is irrelevant to this conversation in order to make me look bad and then throw an insult because it's somehow justified. BTW don't care if your autistic or not, you're still a person, it has no change of my opinion of you.

Please do not reply. We are done here. This isn't going anywhere. PM if you'd like but seriously let's drop it.

LOL so you want to tell me I am wrong, give me a good old character assassination and then tell me not to reply? How very American of you.

If you don't like logic then put me on ignore.

 

[Bartacus]

LOL so you want to tell me I am wrong, give me a good old character assassination and then tell me not to reply? How very American of you.

If you don't like logic then put me on ignore.

Dude, just put HIM on ignore. I did, and it's the only time since I've been on forums that I actually used that feature. NBD just loves to pick fights and argue. He's been doing that forever here.

 

[Layer Cakes]

Dude, just put HIM on ignore. I did, and it's the only time since I've been on forums that I actually used that feature. NBD just loves to pick fights and argue. He's been doing that forever here.

I wish I had the will power to use that button. Probably would have a lot more people on the ignore list if it worked both ways :lol: I don't want them seeing my content if I can't see theirs!

 

[NeverBackDown]

Dude, just put HIM on ignore. I did, and it's the only time since I've been on forums that I actually used that feature. NBD just loves to pick fights and argue. He's been doing that forever here.

Picking fights? Not true. Sure when I first came on and I'm first 1000 posts I could agree. I changed my attitude, became Saint Patience for a while which marked a turn around for me on this forum and I've been fine since. Sure every now and then people here argue but that's normal. But picking fights? That's absurd.

I'm not even sure where you could say I picked a fight here. I explained it's memory that's the issue and it got blown up out of porportion and then an excuse about autism and an insult thrown at me. Not sure if that's me picking a fight? Unless you'd care to explain. I'd gladly listen.
I was talking to another member about this alongside Alien. We were just fine no issues. So clearly this isn't me picking a fight but trying to explain something that some people don't agree with.
Which unfortunately in this and age leads to all sorts of wild things.

 

[AlienALX]

and then an excuse about autism and an insult thrown at me. Not sure if that's me picking a fight?

I was going to leave that comment the first time you made it (about how you see me as you would every one else) but I can't even begin to tell you how ignorant that really is.

Autistic people are wired completely differently to "normal" human beings. They react differently, feel differently and so on. You sound like the UK govt "We'll just treat them as normal yes because that's plenty PC". Only it isn't, because it doesn't work like that.

What I said to you wasn't an excuse. It was a reason. A reason you quickly brushed under the carpet. Look, if you don't have the social skills, patience and empathy to deal with autistic people that is your lookout. As I said, put me on ignore, be the bigger man.

As it stands? yeah I do think you are rude. Very rude, but then most Americans are.

And you do pick fights, all of the time. You show barely any humility whatsoever and treat other forum members as "just a day at the office".

I tell you what, now that I am not taking Venlaflaxine any more and actually have the will to live I will start calling you out on your rudeness and social faux pas if you like? I am very good at it believe me. I can become completely obsessed with it.

 

[NeverBackDown]

I treat everybody the same. You being autistic has no bearing on that. You're still a person as I said. If that's rude to you I can't change that
I will still not call you names, make fun of you, etc because you are different. My mother is what you call a PC term, special needs specialist. I have plenty of experience and understand life isn't easy for you. That's why I treat you like everybody else so you don't feel like I am catering to you because from my experience it works best. So if that bothers you oh well.
I'm not saying you're the same as another person. You're taking it of out context.

Call me out that's fine. You throw another insult about me and then Americans (as most of you on here do) and I never complain. But god forbid I disagree and you get butthurt and throw the American insult and I'm the rude one. It's funny how you disagree with Dice about his society views yet you just did exactly as he took about. You take no blame and point the finger. Never can be your fault.

I get it. You don't like Americans or me. Fine. Then put me on ignore. I won't care. Put all the Americans on here on ignore for that matter. It'll help you feel better so it would seem.
Now again PM about this if you want to continue. This is derailed enough.

 

[AlienALX]

I treat everybody the same. You being autistic has no bearing on that. You're still a person as I said. If that's rude to you I can't change that
I will still not call you names, make fun of you, etc because you are different.

You always have a long answer for everything don't you?

QFT. That is an incredibly rude thing to say to some one with autism. And it's even worse when you basically say that, I explain that it is because I am autistic and then you basically brush it off.

Look, you said you weren't rude, I said you were. That is an example of your rudeness there. I explain to you why I need to type so much to explain what is in my head and then you say I am making excuses.

And you don't think that is rude, why?

 

[TheF34RChannel]

AlienALX and NeverBackDown, would you agree to disagree, how cliche it may be, and let us all continue to discuss the topic of this thread? I have no beef with either of you and I am asking as a fellow forum member. Please, consider it.

 

[scubasteve]

is it me or d these prices look to dodgy i was nearly on the verge of clicking add to basket since i reallllllly need a new one , seems every day from what i been following at some point or another during the day prices drop like this for a few but today been like this all day

https://i.imgur.com/Qe9g7GX.png

https://i.imgur.com/aQSz5f6.png

https://i.imgur.com/SmtySm6.png

edit .. lol ok seems prices back to redonkulos again