RobM
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Economic sense mate when you have something that is selling well you do not replace it.
Next gen Nvidia cards?
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Economic sense mate when you have something that is selling well you do not replace it.
AlienALX
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It doesn't work like that. Define selling well? who are they selling to? miners?
I explained this elsewhere but it seems you either didn't see it, didn't read it, or ignored it. Any gamer who was going to buy Pascal has now bought it in some iteration. Usually the card they get from each generation. The early adopters had theirs ages and ages ago and the late adopters who got them cheaper have theirs also. You can only keep selling the same product to the same people for so long before sales begin to slow, no matter how good that product.
Last June I bought a used Titan XP. Since then I have had the same Titan XP and likely will for ages and ages. Even if the new Titan comes out I won't buy it, because I already have one. Nvidia have made their money, like Intel, from their fanboys and girls. IE - the Apple crowd, queuing up outside the store for hours and hours on day one. They sold out, giving those who missed them plenty of chance to buy them since. It is those "TAKE MY MONEY" people that Nvidia has done so well from. People don't even buy the cards for the spec or because they even need them any more they buy them because they are a new card from Nvidia, one they don't have, and one they will feel small if they do not have (small willy syndrome).
What happens after that? do people keep buying the same cards until they have a whole pile of them? no, no they don't.
This is why, even though at times it cost them a crap load of money, Intel kept releasing. In your business model the 2500k was enough and they had beaten AMD so why even bother? I'll tell you why - because some people bought every generation of the damn things even though they were 3-5% better each time.
Plus then there are the facts. 10 series are pretty much sold out everywhere. If they were selling so well Nvidia would not let that happen, they would up the production of them. Sadly this time around we have another 200-400 series because Nvidia have obviously sold out and have nothing to ship so there are no cards at all to buy.
Scan and others are calling most of the 1080Ti EOL. Why? why would you EOL something that is selling so well? Also, why would you drop the price on the Titan Xp Star Wars by nearly £300 if they too were selling so well? because Titan Xp owners did not even buy them. That was new adopters only, and they knew that Pascal was getting on.
I know there are a lot of people complaining about mining right now (mostly those who NEED a cheap mid range card, not want one) but there could be a hell of a lot more.
Ampere is close. And I tell you what if it isn't and you are right? Nvidia should not be in business. Because if it really is like you say it is and they can't even make enough stock they should be laughed off the stage.
RobM
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Nah I had not seen you article mate, you do make good points though, I still feel nvidia will continue to squeeze more from pascal, they are yet to release the FULL gpu from what I can gather but I might be wrong there
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
The full core is reserved for areas outside of consumers. They will sell high end Pascal cores to the same markets as Volta, it's just Volta is much more expensive and powerful.
Kaapstad
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GP102 is the full Pascal chip as used in the Titan Xp.
GP100 is used in the professional cards but does not have anymore SP gaming cores than the GP102 chip.
With the availability of the Volta Titan (GV100) Pascal has nowhere left to go.
AlienALX
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They hardly ever release the full GPU. They always keep something back. Titan - not complete. Waited for the 290 and 290x then launch Titan Black and 780Ti. They only ever go balls out, and we only ever get all of it when there is competition and there is none. At all.
They can't squeeze more from Pascal. Like I said, once people buy the GPU in their price bracket that is it until the next tech and higher performance. I am not going to sell my Titan XP to buy another new Titan XP. Why would I do that?
So whether they like it or not they have to keep producing. If they don't? you have a ZX Spectrum. Still for sale, but every one has one.
If you mean they are going to keep making Pascal for miners, whilst completely forgetting about their gaming audience? that would be a very silly move. At least AMD know that without mining they wouldn't sell any Vega because Nvidia would simply price their Pascal cards accordingly and destroy any sane reason for buying Vega whatsoever. Kinda like they did with the 980Ti VS Fury X. You had to be legally insane to buy one (see also - me). Value, performance, VRAM etc the 980Ti destroyed it.
Nvidia have tried so many times over the years to find another avenue, but have failed at it quite miserably. Tablets - fail. Shield - fail. I am amazed they didn't try making a mobile phone, but when you come up against REAL competition (IE not in the form of AMD) you would get your ass reamed. Samsung etc would just wipe the floor with Nvidia like it was some noob.
Whether these self driven cars they are now throwing cash at will work out? who knows. But whatever happens with that you wouldn't catch me dead in a self driven car.
RobM
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Valid points yes
I do feel nvidia have shifted focus away from gamers and towards Deep learning and AR type stuff, maybe thats the future, who knows
TheF34RChannel
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You worded and summed it up perfectly AlienALX!
Depending on the price, are there any 1st day adopters here? I hope to be one come April.
Depending on the price, are there any 1st day adopters here? I hope to be one come April.
AlienALX
Well-known member
Yes that is exactly what they are trying to do for all of the reasons I have explained. Making GPUs will only ever take them so far, and as technology improves GPUs will become a thing of the past (eventually, maybe 20 years from now?) so they desperately need another way of staying alive.
I also forgot to mention their chipsets. Remember them? Nforce? well they pi**ed off Intel with their arrogance and Intel basically turned around and said to them "If that is how you want it then we won't license you any more Intel sockets" which put an end to that party. Of course they weren't going to make newer chipsets for AMD so that was the end of that little venture.
They've made a rod for their own back by making their GPUs boutique brag right items. People want new ones (see also Apple with the Iphone, they have to keep making new ones with new features etc or they will simply go under).
It was the mobile market they needed to crack. And they had a bloody good go with their Android chips (Tegra) but sadly Tegra needed special coding to get the most out of it. Sound familiar? see also PhysX, CUDA, Gsync etc etc. Things like that don't catch on. Which is a shame, because the very small handful of games made to run on Tegra were awesome. But yeah, how many phones do you see with a Tegra in them? pretty much none, because Nvidia are not like GPU Nvidia in that market. They are literally peasants begging at the feet of the master (ARM).
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
It is the future and that is where the money is. So they focused on that.
They haven't really ignored gamers. I mean they still do drivers pretty frequently, albeit not always bug free, but considering AMD hasn't really done anything they haven't really needed to do much.
scubasteve
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Nvidia will unveil the GeForce GTX 20 series in April, according to online murmurs.
The new lineup is said to arrive in April, so it could be that the firm will unveil the new-generation of GPUs at its GTC technology conference in San Jose, due to take place at the end of March.
The German news site claims that TSMC has stopped production of GP102, the GPU that powers the GeForce GTX 1080 Ti, meaning that current-generation GTX 1080 Ti and Titan X graphics cards would stop being produced throughout the rest of this year to make way for the unravelling of the GTX 20 series.
If the reports are confirmed come March or April, the GTX 20 series is likely to use Nvidia's new and improved VRAM technology, which uses a smaller bus than the GTX 1080 Ti thanks to the arrival of the firm's GDDR6 technology
got that of the inquirer didnt know if i could post an external link here but thats the jist of it
The new lineup is said to arrive in April, so it could be that the firm will unveil the new-generation of GPUs at its GTC technology conference in San Jose, due to take place at the end of March.
The German news site claims that TSMC has stopped production of GP102, the GPU that powers the GeForce GTX 1080 Ti, meaning that current-generation GTX 1080 Ti and Titan X graphics cards would stop being produced throughout the rest of this year to make way for the unravelling of the GTX 20 series.
If the reports are confirmed come March or April, the GTX 20 series is likely to use Nvidia's new and improved VRAM technology, which uses a smaller bus than the GTX 1080 Ti thanks to the arrival of the firm's GDDR6 technology
got that of the inquirer didnt know if i could post an external link here but thats the jist of it
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TheF34RChannel
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AlienALX
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Worse why? You're very likely right, I am just unsure what you're referring to
Used prices. If a 1080Ti is available for £900+ (which they were the other week, not checked since) and selling for pretty much the same used, what do you think is going to happen when there are none? there is no way they are going to last until April lol. That's what? nearly two months away :banghead:
TheF34RChannel
New member
Ah got you.
They basically repeat what the original rumour story said, throw in some revenue numbers and throw another name in the mix - also without backing it up. How reliable is Reuters?
Sounds good though, if true.
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
Reuters isn't bad but it's just the fact that this rumor has spread so far that everybody is just following along because if everybody is doing it it must be true.
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
TBH it doesn't take a physicist to work out it's coming if TSMC have stopped production of the 1080Ti (and likely Pascal). Not unless Nvidia want to commit financial suicidemaybe Jen is bored of life?
And yet you site another rumor. So maybe it does indeed take one because so far nobody has any source.
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