Mother defends her Fortnite cheating son from Epic Games lawsuit

I think people are missing the point here, the reason they are taking him to court is to take down the video showing how to use the cheats, and under DMC rules I think that's their only option after he countered their dmc
 
He's not innocent. You keep failing to understand this just because he's a kid. He could murder somebody and you'd basically let him go because he's just a kid? F that. Everybody is responsible. People think they don't need to be held accountable anymore.

I didn't say he was. I said let's bring back hanging innocent people.

In the UK he is not accountable. He is still a minor.
 
If he has deliberately dodged around take-down notices and bans then he should absolutely be punished. There's really no question about that.

Oh yes, I didn't say he shouldn't but I just think people are being way too harsh. Just taking his PC away for a couple of weeks would do the trick.

I remember seeing this lawsuit many years ago when I worked in the USA. Some dude who worked at the Cinema basically took The Hulk DVD home and leaked a rip online. They caught him (18 IIRC) and then fined him 2.4 million dollars or something ridiculous like that and sentenced him to prison for 3 months and then community service (or whatever they call it out there) for two years.

So basically they ruined his entire life over one stupid mistake. And I would absolutely bet he was on minimum wage earning nothing.

As human beings we can only get walked on if we a allow it collectively. IE - if we let the entertainment industry bully us around and threaten us we are mugs. Total mugs. I will tell you why, too. The way things are going not only will you have no game media (like a DVD or something physical) but you won't even have that data on your PC. So they can pretty much decide at any time to take it away and close the servers and that is it.

Which I totally do not agree with at all. However, the more we give them an inch the more they will take a mile.

Has any one participating in this thread even considered WHY he may have been cheating? to gain an advantage? businesses do that all of the time, especially corporations. To make money? well, if the game wasn't a cash cow itself there would be none to be made, would there?

And so on. FFS people open your minds.

I would bet we've all done something stupid at some point. Don't even go telling me you can't smell your own farts FFS.

I've shop lifted, been in stolen cars, taken stupid risks on bikes for very little gain (apart from agony) and so on. Even played chicken with a train.

Does that mean they should lock me up and throw away the key? absolutely not. I am a human and I have made plenty of mistakes. Trust, my dookies absolutely stink the house down. But at every point I have made a mistake I have learned from it, and usually never repeated it. I have never been arrested and have no criminal record because I was smarter than my friends and knew a 100% stupid situation when they did not.

I've dumped girls because I just didn't like them and etc etc. You live on and you learn.
 
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I absolutely agree. We've all been stupid. Been there, done that and got plenty of T-shirts (and sleepless nights obsessing over every little detail).

However when you get caught the punishment should fit the crime. I like to think I'm fairly liberal overall but I'm not so extreme as to excuse absolutely anything; hence the expectation of a fine for the parents as they are the ones legally responsible here and community service for the kid so he learns the lesson. That's just how the law works and it has to be consistent for everyone whether we like it or not. Change can come but it won't be a quick process. I'd love for it to be, but it won't. I'd really like it if fines like these were based on the defendants income, not the accusers loss in these situations as nobody but big business has that kind of money; what happened to reform?

I certainly think calls to "ban him for life" and so on are going way too far. I get that we're all passionate about these things, hence being on this forum, but such extreme punishments are overreactions. I don't believe in most of our societies ideologies or direction but I have to believe that whoever passes sentence on this family can at least be fair and start moving towards a more understanding viewpoint.

Also, I absolutely agree that the movement to digital games was a bad one. I fought it until about two years ago but eventually you just have to give in or stop playing. As soon as it goes so far that I cannot copy and manipulate the files I'll hang up my controller.
 
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I absolutely agree. We've all been stupid. Been there, done that and got plenty of T-shirts (and sleepless nights obsessing over every little detail).

However when you get caught the punishment should fit the crime. I like to think I'm fairly liberal overall but I'm not so extreme as to excuse absolutely anything; hence the expectation of a fine for the parents as they are the ones legally responsible here and community service for the kid so he learns the lesson. That's just how the law works and it has to be consistent for everyone whether we like it or not. Change can come but it won't a quick process. I'd love for it to be, but it won't.

I certainly think calls to "ban him for life" and so on are going way too far. I get that we're all passionate about these things, hence being on this forum, but such extreme punishments are overreactions. I don't believe in most of our societies ideologies or direction but I have to believe that whoever passes sentence on this family can at least be fair and start moving towards a more understanding viewpoint.

I think being a parent, or, a guardian teaches people to be a little more lenient.

It is at that moment you realise that your own creation is not perfect.

My mother did flat out 100% to teach us right from wrong. Believe me, the poor cow worked herself so hard doing three jobs that she can now hardly move from osteoarthritis. However, at the same time she never stopped us doing anything (me and my brother) because she knew that if she pushed us we would likely do it out of spite like most of my so called "Good and perfectly behaved" friends.

Their parents thought they were perfect and never wrong.. Yeah, that is why most of them either ended up in prison or were actually worse than me FFS.

My mother once told me "If you get arrested I am not coming for you and you will go into care". And I knew she meant it, too. So I never got arrested. When something felt like it was even remotely coming on top I would just bail.

It's very easy to call for someone's head on a stick when it ain't your head or any one you know. Just like it's really easy to hate the mentally ill and dismiss them. One day you could be in that situation and you would soon learn.
 
I think being a parent, or, a guardian teaches people to be a little more lenient.

It is at that moment you realise that your own creation is not perfect.

My mother did flat out 100% to teach us right from wrong. Believe me, the poor cow worked herself so hard doing three jobs that she can now hardly move from osteoarthritis. However, at the same time she never stopped us doing anything (me and my brother) because she knew that if she pushed us we would likely do it out of spite like most of my so called "Good and perfectly behaved" friends.

Their parents thought they were perfect and never wrong.. Yeah, that is why most of them either ended up in prison or were actually worse than me FFS.

My mother once told me "If you get arrested I am not coming for you and you will go into care". And I knew she meant it, too. So I never got arrested. When something felt like it was even remotely coming on top I would just bail.

It's very easy to call for someone's head on a stick when it ain't your head or any one you know. Just like it's really easy to hate the mentally ill and dismiss them. One day you could be in that situation and you would soon learn.

Yeah. Unfortunately most people lack the ability to be empathetic. I can look at this situation and imagine myself in it. What if it was my daughter at 14. What would I do? What would I hope to happen?

Sure there's the need to accept the consequences, and you'd hope that those consequences were fair (fines that I could actually pay, for example). However the way the law works is that it supports big business and those in power (who incidentally are usually in big business, strange huh?).

While I have to accept that there's no getting around the law and teach my daughter as much it doesn't mean I agree with a lot of it or won't fight it where I can.

As for the mental health stigma I can completely relate. My wife (housemate/friend/co-parent, we aren't "together" anymore) has struggled with it for most of her life and it bugs the hell out of me how people can be so naive and judgemental with her. But I guess most people just don't want to understand something that they don't have to personally deal with on a day-to-day basis. It's actually one of the primary reasons I have pretty much zero faith in humanity.

Don't get me wrong, it can tick me off if I don't get the space I need away from it from time to time but we always work through that. Apologise, learn and move on.
 
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This whole thread is not news.

Kid gets punished for doing something illegal. Not news. The cheating thing isn't the legal issue, the legal issue is refusing to cooperate with a court backed request to stop doing the stuff he was doing on Youtube. He didn't stop. The courts tore him a new asshole. That;s called life, and it's not news.

Mum protects son. Not news. Show me one mum who wouldn't defend her son to the ends of the earth and back, and I'll call Social Services on her ass. Mums defending sons is what mums do, and it's not news.

And finally:

Personally I think cheats on MP games should be banned from ever owning a pc or console for life and have cheat branded across their forehead

It legitimately scares the crap out of me that one day you will be old enough to vote.
 
It legitimately scares the crap out of me that one day you will be old enough to vote.

I was old enough to vote a very long time ago, what can I say I hate cheats it ruins the game for everybody, if your not good at a game practice or go play something else, if your ego is so diminished you need to cheat to feel good about yourself go see a shrink
 
if your ego is so diminished you need to cheat to feel good about yourself go see a shrink

That's quite offensive there. What if he has depression issues and never feels good about himself? not a nice affliction. I would much rather love myself and feel good about myself all day but for some it doesn't work like that.

Thanks for proving my point, though.
 
That's quite offensive there. What if he has depression issues and never feels good about himself? not a nice affliction. I would much rather love myself and feel good about myself all day but for some it doesn't work like that.

Thanks for proving my point, though.

I see what he meant by his comment. Just badly worded. Wouldn't call it offensive though.

C'mon Alien, you come out with some pretty bold harsh stuff too and then state people should get thick skin. But this is sidetracking now.
I still stick with my original point. I don't really see this as news. Underage and aware of his actions, yes. Punish him, yes. Mother defends him... theres a shock.

Outcome, he will get a slap on the hand and then its over and forgotten.
 
That's quite offensive there. What if he has depression issues and never feels good about himself? not a nice affliction. I would much rather love myself and feel good about myself all day but for some it doesn't work like that.

Thanks for proving my point, though.

I don't have an overly lot of experience with depression, I have a couple of friends who suffer from it and from them I get they'd rather have some one to talk to and listen and the last thing would be playing some FPS game, again my experience is limited.
But ruining many others enjoyment, maybe getting developers losing their jobs if the game flops badly, at what point do we say it's not ok? is it upto the point the company goes bankrupt and the servers go down and nobody can play?
So i stick by what I said there is no good excuse to cheat in a MP game, there are plenty of single player games that doesn't ruin it for others go cheat as much as you want on them
 
I see what he meant by his comment. Just badly worded. Wouldn't call it offensive though.

C'mon Alien, you come out with some pretty bold harsh stuff too and then state people should get thick skin. But this is sidetracking now.
I still stick with my original point. I don't really see this as news. Underage and aware of his actions, yes. Punish him, yes. Mother defends him... theres a shock.

Outcome, he will get a slap on the hand and then its over and forgotten.

After living with some one who hated herself and the stress and heartbreak of it no, I found it offensive. And it's very, very unusual for me to take offence at anything but I am sick of the mentally ill being the new "Go to" "Slag them off to make yourself feel better".

In the 70s it was black people, in the 80s it was Pakistani and Indian people and now we are not allowed to do that any more we take it out on our own mentally ill people.

That is the new in thing now. PC has told us we can't do anything else, but PC hasn't quite gotten around to the mentally ill yet. Even though gay people are no longer vilified and are allowed to marry mentally ill people are still the brunt of other people's feel good tactic. IE - must bash on some one to take the focus off of my sh**y self. Humans have done it throughout history.

I was already annoyed at some of the posts in this thread. People thinking they are perfect but yeah, to be completely and totally honest with you I did find that offensive. Even though it is almost impossible to offend me.

And yeah, it was worded wrong but that is no excuse. You don't say "God it must suck to be a black person" and then some one make an excuse because you worded it badly. I wouldn't even mind so much if I had not touched on it already.
 
I don't have an overly lot of experience with depression

I can tell. I pray that you never EVER have to experience it or worse, see a loved one afflicted with it and then see them ripped apart by a bunch of bigots.

I'm going to go somewhere to cool off now, before I say something I will regret.
 
All this talk with 'What if' etc is bull. He cheats and keep making accounta to keep on cheating and makes a youtube video how to cheat.... ban for life.

Its like you park your car wrong and the police say ' Dont park there again' and you say ok and drive off. Now, you get a massive fine and you will REMEMBER that and most probably wont park there again. Pretty simple.
 
All this talk with 'What if' etc is bull. He cheats and keep making accounta to keep on cheating and makes a youtube video how to cheat.... ban for life.

Its like you park your car wrong and the police say ' Dont park there again' and you say ok and drive off. Now, you get a massive fine and you will REMEMBER that and most probably wont park there again. Pretty simple.

Oh you do make me laugh.

99% of the world lives a lie. They hate their job, hate their boss, hate their wife etc. Yet they smile and pretend, whilst their intuition basically lies to itself over and over.

We are taught to live with what we don't like and basically "Smile and get on with it". We are lying.

People cheat on a daily basis. They do it to get a leg up in the world. They tread on others, put other people out of business and so on. That is all perfectly acceptable in the capitalist world we live in.

Please, don't play "armchair judge" it just makes you look silly.

People do stupid stuff all of the time. Some can't help it, others just don't care.

BTW. Those who do the best in our society are the ones that can lie the best. That can pretend, kiss arse and so on. The better looking you are the more chance of doing well you have if you are good at lying etc etc.

In a world so broken it really isn't a great idea to throw stones in a greenhouse.
 
Oh you do make me laugh.

99% of the world lives a lie. They hate their job, hate their boss, hate their wife etc. Yet they smile and pretend, whilst their intuition basically lies to itself over and over.

We are taught to live with what we don't like and basically "Smile and get on with it". We are lying.

People cheat on a daily basis. They do it to get a leg up in the world. They tread on others, put other people out of business and so on. That is all perfectly acceptable in the capitalist world we live in.

Please, don't play "armchair judge" it just makes you look silly.

People do stupid stuff all of the time. Some can't help it, others just don't care.

BTW. Those who do the best in our society are the ones that can lie the best. That can pretend, kiss arse and so on. The better looking you are the more chance of doing well you have if you are good at lying etc etc.

In a world so broken it really isn't a great idea to throw stones in a greenhouse.

Wow.... you made me LAUGH hard now...! Thanks for that!

So what if some tread on others and cheat. Does that make it ok and are you saying that its ok? And it should go un punished?

I dont know if you have children, I do. They can misbehave and be a real nuisance but hey, they are kids. Once in a while they need a ear pulling or a punishment as if not they will never take you seriously.

As of this kid. He needs an eye opener.
 
Oh you do make me laugh.

99% of the world lives a lie. They hate their job, hate their boss, hate their wife etc. Yet they smile and pretend, whilst their intuition basically lies to itself over and over.

We are taught to live with what we don't like and basically "Smile and get on with it". We are lying.

People cheat on a daily basis. They do it to get a leg up in the world. They tread on others, put other people out of business and so on. That is all perfectly acceptable in the capitalist world we live in.

Please, don't play "armchair judge" it just makes you look silly.

People do stupid stuff all of the time. Some can't help it, others just don't care.

BTW. Those who do the best in our society are the ones that can lie the best. That can pretend, kiss arse and so on. The better looking you are the more chance of doing well you have if you are good at lying etc etc.

In a world so broken it really isn't a great idea to throw stones in a greenhouse.

Ok now you are just being silly and over exaggerating stuff. 99%?

Uk may have a p*ss poor mentality towards many things (one of the reasons i left that country) but don't try stating the whole world is like this. You get out of life what you put into it. There are millions of jobs which people enjoy, colleagues who are great, bosses who go above and beyond for their customers and employees. Yes we live in a corporate world but that does not mean that way of life, trickles down to your average joe.

I love my job, my colleagues are great, my boss is "Mr Suave cool guy". Its been like that in the last 3 jobs I have had over the 9 years living here. Then you start going on stereotyping that good looking people that will do better? give me a break... all these things you state. I would say prove it! or its just bad opinions of the world and the people.

I busted my a** going from working in a graveyard to a salary way above Norwegian average. You're telling me I kissed a** to do it? You are obviously angry about something, but do yourself a favour, stick to the topic of the thread, or just stop replying and go cool off like you said.
 
Ok now you are just being silly and over exaggerating stuff. 99%?

Uk may have a p*ss poor mentality towards many things (one of the reasons i left that country) but don't try stating the whole world is like this. You get out of life what you put into it. There are millions of jobs which people enjoy, colleagues who are great, bosses who go above and beyond for their customers and employees. Yes we live in a corporate world but that does not mean that way of life, trickles down to your average joe.

I love my job, my colleagues are great, my boss is "Mr Suave cool guy". Its been like that in the last 3 jobs I have had over the 9 years living here. Then you start going on stereotyping that good looking people that will do better? give me a break... all these things you state. I would say prove it! or its just bad opinions of the world and the people.

I busted my a** going from working in a graveyard to a salary way above Norwegian average. You're telling me I kissed a** to do it? You are obviously angry about something, but do yourself a favour, stick to the topic of the thread, or just stop replying and go cool off like you said.

Nope I am spot on. That is humanity as a whole. I can't even watch things like Blue Planet without seeing the damage we have done to the world.

It's even worse these days with the "every man for himself" attitude. At least back in the 70s and 80s if something bad happened people would rally around to help etc. Now? hardly any one even knows their neighbours, let alone personally.

Hopefully within the next 20 years I will be gone any way, so I don't have to look at this sad, broken carcass of a world that my grandfather spent nearly a year of his life in a POW camp desperately trying to defend. With his life.

And what for? so our politicians could give it away to every one but us, to sell property to people who do not even live in this country. Don't tell me, I am a flag waving thicko with an IQ of 80?

Then lie about the properties they are building for the less fortunate and committing genocide on the mentally ill.

Everything these days all revolves around one person. Marriage is now a joke.. Seriously, don't get me started. I've not even warmed up yet.
 
Nope I am spot on. That is humanity as a whole. I can't even watch things like Blue Planet without seeing the damage we have done to the world.

It's even worse these days with the "every man for himself" attitude. At least back in the 70s and 80s if something bad happened people would rally around to help etc. Now? hardly any one even knows their neighbours, let alone personally.

Hopefully within the next 20 years I will be gone any way, so I don't have to look at this sad, broken carcass of a world that my grandfather spent nearly a year of his life in a POW camp desperately trying to defend. With his life.

And what for? so our politicians could give it away to every one but us, to sell property to people who do not even live in this country. Don't tell me, I am a flag waving thicko with an IQ of 80?

Then lie about the properties they are building for the less fortunate and committing genocide on the mentally ill.

Everything these days all revolves around one person. Marriage is now a joke.. Seriously, don't get me started. I've not even warmed up yet.

This is all so off topic that it cant be any more off topic.....

Ban hammer and make an example of this kid. His mother can defend him all she wants. Let the courts decide.
 
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Could we please keep this thread on topic fellas and not sidetrack into personal rages and view bashing.
 
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