Microsoft: True communism now shines brighter than ever...

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MICROSOFT PLANS TO STOP SUPPORTING THE AMERICAN ECONOMY

BY OUTSOURCING MORE THAN 10,000 JOBS OVER 10 YEARS TO CHINA

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2002468560_msftgoogle03.html

Microsoft is on track to outsource more than 1,000 jobs a year

to China, according to blistering evidence released yesterday

in Microsoft's increasingly nasty spat with Google over an

employee who jumped ship in July.

In a revelation that highlights the complexity of China

President Hu Jintao's visit to Seattle and Microsoft on Monday,

legal filings detailed claims of how Microsoft had offended the

Chinese government by not outsourcing as many jobs as promised

to Chinese technology vendors.

COMMENTS AT: http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/09/04/2256208&tid=109&tid=218

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Another nail in the coffin for M$...it annoys me immensely when a multinational company such as this forgets their roots, and treats their home country like crap. Very poor show Mr Gates and Mr Balmer :mad:
 
name='ionicle' said:
arseholes!, y bother?! china wil only be as expensive as america soon as everyones economy is going there....
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wtf? dont you mean everybodies switching their electrical imports to china?

M$ are switching jobs over there ecayse it means they have to pay their chinese employees peanuts, add to that the fact that the chinese goverment controls the chinese net, microsoft will be very happy working ass to ass with president hu-flung-dung, because it equals:

m$+china= american employees screwed:(

EDIT: i guess were gunna have to get used to seeing the old phrase: " please be waiting, may take few minutes" more often
 
and it aint so cheap, because as a developing country, when they get to the u.k or the u.s's standards of developedness they wil have to pay them asmuch as they would pay americans as the cost of living wil go up as more and more tecnologies become avaldable to them...if that makes sense, i am basically saying that if they keep going at there current rate they wil have to pay employees in china just as much as anywhere else in the world as china's economy goes up and up
 
name='ionicle' said:
and it aint so cheap, because as a developing country, when they get to the u.k or the u.s's standards of developedness they wil have to pay them asmuch as they would pay americans as the cost of living wil go up as more and more tecnologies become avaldable to them...if that makes sense, i am basically saying that if they keep going at there current rate they wil have to pay employees in china just as much as anywhere else in the world as china's economy goes up and up
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you really. REALLY dont understand how communism works, or rather how communism DOESNT work ;)
 
name='ionicle' said:
and it aint so cheap, because as a developing country, when they get to the u.k or the u.s's standards of developedness they wil have to pay them asmuch as they would pay americans as the cost of living wil go up as more and more tecnologies become avaldable to them...if that makes sense, i am basically saying that if they keep going at there current rate they wil have to pay employees in china just as much as anywhere else in the world as china's economy goes up and up
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Uhhh... ermmm... no....

If it was as expensive in China as it is in the US they wouldn't be giving jobs to the Chinese because it wouldn't make any business sense at all.... Higher production rate at a lower cost, that's what all large corporations are all about, they could give a fuck less how many hard working American's they fuck over in the process.
 
name='ionicle' said:
and it aint so cheap, because as a developing country, when they get to the u.k or the u.s's standards of developedness they wil have to pay them asmuch as they would pay americans as the cost of living wil go up as more and more tecnologies become avaldable to them...if that makes sense, i am basically saying that if they keep going at there current rate they wil have to pay employees in china just as much as anywhere else in the world as china's economy goes up and up
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some how before I read this I knew it would not make sense :rollingla
 
That's a smart move! You didnt read the article. They are not outsourcing workers for current projects to free up american workers for other projects. They have specifically said that they will not be cutting down their workforce in Redmond. Not that the Redmond guys are getting shit done. I hate MicroShit as much as the next guy but the shift of projects to overseas firms may enable their products to benefit through chinese efficiency. It is clearly obvious that american hiring has slowed because of the hiring in China but that is to be expected. But there is no use whining over people not getting jobs because they are going to other people. If they started laying people off... or halting U.S. hiring then you have the right to call them pigs. I just don't like seeing people immediately attack an organization for doing a smart business move. Remember their hiring of americans is why their shit costs so much. Its a cycle because their prices get ridiculous and more and more people use warez, not that warez will ever stop. But I have friends(the ones who will not look for the best price) who want to buy XP... see the price.. and start looking for it free. Capitalism will never look good from a liberal, employ america standpoint. But if all the jobs come to americans all of the sudden, the effects will be multiply worse. The cost of goods will increase across the board, pay will decrease, and who know what the chinese may do. It could be Pearl Harbor all over again. The latter is a nuts idea, but I imagine the hit to their economy would spark some drastic results.

EDIT: As always I lose track when writing so if some points arent backed up or finished.. .lemme know so I can edit it.

EDIT2: Btw why are you calling MS the pigs... they were getting shit from the chinese... Google hired Kai-Fu Lee, the guy who handled the relations and deals about the outsourcing for MS.. and he was hired to do the same for Google.. so why arent they pigs?

EDIT3: Ok I must also rebut the title of this thread. "Communism is an economic and political system based on the principle "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need." It stresses that the control of the means of producing economic goods in a society should reside in the hands of those who invest their labor for production. In its ideal form, social classes cease to exist, there is no coercive governmental structures, and everyone lives in abundance without supervision from a ruling class. Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels popularized this theory in their 1848 Communist Manifesto." Or my favorite "A theoretical economic system characterized by the collective ownership of property and by the organization of labor for the common advantage of all members." Ya. And capitalism - An economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately or corporately owned and development is proportionate to the accumulation and reinvestment of profits gained in a free market. Perhaps you meant that outsourcing jobs, for private capitalistic gain, was communistic in that we are hiring chinese people, a country where remnants of communism remain? If you know my from oc.net you will know that rebutting your claims is in no way an attempt to insult or attack you. But I simply must argue any point of dissent that I have. Communism, is an economical system based upon a concept of community property. In such a system the government essentially controls all business and property, rations food and commodities, and even assigns you a profession. It's a pretty version of slavery through the idea that a man doesnt mind being told everything he can and cant do, can and cant have, because he just has to do his job to get what he "needs", better yet his rations. People flourish under the capitalistic concepts in that it is better for a man to have a goal, and a drive because he can become better, make more money, buy more stuff, provide for his family better. I understand where you may dislike MS's move, and googles move I hope(unless you are just nitpicking) but it is things like this that make the world economy work, and perhaps will make MS drop some damn prices.

Inflecto Volo
 
Outsourcing for Chinese "efficiency" as you call it is nuts (for the consumer, i'll explain a bit later in this paragraph why)... The only MS campus mentioned in the article was Redmond which did state that the hiring process had been slowed = bad. What about the other MS locations, have they slowed the hiring process or perhaps stopped hiring completely? I'm a hardcore straight up American. I feel good when I buy things that say "Made in America," it gives me a sense of pride knowing I'm supporting a company that's close to home. Unfortunately in the computer industry it's hard to say that about anything. Mobo's, CPU's, RAM, etc., granted are all very hard things to make that without Chinese/Taiwanese outsourcing we just couldn't afford. But at the same time, most of these computer product corporations are based out of these countries (Japan, China, Tawain, etc.) so it makes very little difference to me since it doesn't effect people I know. I just don't see where MS can save a large enough amount of money by outsourcing production of it's products to China where the consumer is going to benefit. Even if they did save an insane amount of money, MS is the kind of corporation that would say "Hey guys, let's raise the price because there's millions of dumb fuckers that will still buy this shit even though we're getting it for less now that we've hired these little chinese guys to do all of our work." MS has to be the most unethical computer software corporation to date (with Apple trailing close behind). The main point: MS outsources to China; no one sees any difference in price; MS makes way more money than they're entitled too; all the while replacing good old fashion American help. MS, I think you have enough money as it is u greedy fucks, eat a dick and hiccup Bill.

About Google... Fuck Google, google is a pimple on MS's big fat hairy ass in terms of employee count in the grand scheme of things compared to Microsoft. To me it's the thought of such a large corporation making such a move, though smart for the company itself as stated previously, with disregard to it's American roots.

About the communist-based title. I'm referring to MS as a corporation, where it's employees, prospective employees, nor it's consumers have any say in which direction the company is lead. If MS were a country, it would be a communist country indeed. All-in-all this is a huge mistake that Microsoft is making in the public eye in my opinion. The price drop of products, if any, will be so insignificant to the consumer, that MS will remain the evil corporation that overprices it's now Chinese made shit products. With or without slaving 2' tall chinese men for $.50 an hour.

A lot of my MS hatred comes from my father who used to be a techincal author for the company many years ago... I guess it was pretty fucking brutal watching how the company was/is run.

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It's a fairly simple concept...M$ isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Microsoft employs about 39,000 people in the US (latest SEC 10-K filing)....so they're shifting 10,000 jobs to China....why? M$ already has a Monopoly on O/S's and business software (MS Office, etc) in the US.....they're aren't going anywhere and they know it. Linux exists but is only viable to the IT professional or enthusiast....

300Million people in the US....M$ already controls that market....over 1.5 billion people in China.....move 10,000 jobs to China to ensure access to 1.5 billion new customers....it would be a dumb as hell business move if they didn't.

Sorry guys....I laugh when I hear "another nail is M$'s coffin"...a company that has $39 Billion a year in Revenue, up 57% from 2001, and $12 billion a year in Net Income (up 67% since 2001) is hardly dieing.... To say that moving 10,000 jobs to China will cause any issues with M$ is like saying because of the recent surge in Gas prices the Oil Companies will be going out of business soon.....ummm....not quite....

I'm no M$ fanboy....but you have to look at the financial facts....MS brought in $16 Billion in CASH last year alone from its Operating activities after tax....they are a VERY healthy Company that has a iron grip on the market with no competitors and no real threats....anything that threatens them, they either put out of business, or buy them up.
 
Nobody is saying that this is a move that's going to jeopardize MS's future. And I've stated numerous times that from a business standpoint it's a great move.

But I for one will never again support a MS product with greenbacks... I used to actually purchase MS software. I think it's time to stop spending and start pirating.
 
to stop buying... haha... the only time i ever bought MS was in 1997 when i bought my first windows pc... :) yea nothing will jeopardize them. their flagship product, has the market by the balls, linux still doesnt, although linspire is doing a damn good job, the level of support and ease to put a real fire under windows ass. btw, http://www.vistaknowledge.com/news/...pect_vista_to_cost_significantly_less_than_xp , yea they do plan to drop their prices... listen i dont like outsourcing... but i realize that there is no way to change it without serious changes in laws which would be damn right unconstitutional. i still cant see your communism comparison.. but ah well... like i said.. dont take it personal... i simply dont agree that this is such a criminal act... i also think people should be more up in arms about that idiot mayor of New Orleans... what an unarticulate SOB he is... and all those poor dogs....
 
The price of Vista has nothing to do with the current outsourcing. MS have finally figured out that Vista is nothing but a re-faced XP and won't be able to sell it for what they were orginally planning. I still believe that once prices have dropped due to Chinese outsourcing the end user will never see a price break, that's just how MS is.

Nothing taken personal mate, it's always good to have a friendly debate.

And yes, I do agree that the mayor of New Orleans is a complete fucktard.
 
 
name='XMS said:
[font=&quot']After 2 days of playing with that I needed psychiatric help for my uncontrollable desire to slash my wrists.[/font]
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I was going to say nearly exactly the same!
 
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