mac vs. windows over time

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wotevajjjj

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Hi,

a friend of mine want's to buy an overpriced imac instead of a cheap,high spec pc.

His main argument is that windows get's slower over time and mac doesn't.

In my opinion windows doesnt get slower if you clean up every now and then..

But just to prove him wrong, can some people reply here and say apple is expensive low spec snob garbage ?
 
wotevajjjj said:
Hi,

a friend of mine want's to buy an overpriced imac instead of a cheap,high spec pc.

His main argument is that windows get's slower over time and mac doesn't.

In my opinion windows doesnt get slower if you clean up every now and then..

But just to prove him wrong, can some people reply here and say apple is expensive low spec snob garbage ?
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If he was looking for a laptop, then I could only advice Apple, because so far I haven't used any laptop with a better touchpad, looks or build quality. Unless you are on a tight budget or are looking for a gaming laptop, MacBooks are (imho) the way to go.

Desktops, however, are an entirely different story. If you go for an Apple pc there are next to no customisation options, they are very hard to upgrade and if you would upgrade the graphics card it would cost you twice as much as the same card would cost you for a regular non-apple system. Oh and then there's the fact that for the money you pay for their systems you can build a system that will crush any system Apple will ever make.

As for his argument that Windows gets slower over time and Mac doesn't? I call BS on that. My mom's MacBook is 2-3 years old, was never heavily used in terms of system load because all she uses it for is browsing the web and watching some videos. It has however, turned into a snail performance-wise. It used to boot up in the blink of an eye. Now it's no faster than our old Windows-based desktop that's 4 years old. I find it easier to get windows machines to perform like they did when they were brand new than Macs. The reason for this being that there are far more programs out there that fix your pc up for windows than for mac. Windows also has a built-in program for disk defragging, which mac doesn't. Oh and then there's the fact that you can overclock your system if you build it yourself. Maybe macs can overclock a tiny little bit aswell, but they aint got no Noctua NH-D14 cooler that will allow you to double your CPU performanc now do they
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All things considered: Build your own system, overclock the s**t out of it and live happily ever after knowing you did the right thing.
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Lets be honest an imac is going to cost him 800-1000 for a low end one and you could build a windows pc thats twice as good, any computer will get slower over time and as for mac laptops if your willing to spend £1000 on a macbook laptop you could probably find a better windows laptop merely because steve jobs is a twat and overprices all his gear because the majority of mac fan boys dont know how to use computers and think its "easier".

Go windows for performance, price and looks if you customize

Go mac if your a fanboy and want a one button "easy to use" way out ;D!
 
benj3 said:
Lets be honest an imac is going to cost him 800-1000 for a low end one and you could build a windows pc thats twice as good, any computer will get slower over time and as for mac laptops if your willing to spend £1000 on a macbook laptop you could probably find a better windows laptop merely because steve jobs is a twat and overprices all his gear because the majority of mac fan boys dont know how to use computers and think its "easier".

Go windows for performance, price and looks if you customize

Go mac if your a fanboy and want a one button "easy to use" way out ;D!
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Well yeah except all laptop manufacturers fail at designing proper software for their touchpads. I love how macbooks make use of multiple fingers and how easy it is. No stupid scrollspot on your touchpad, nahh you can use the entire touchpad for anything. Previous page, next page, zoom, lmb, rmb, scroll, switch windows, brilliant
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Oh and name a laptop that looks better and has better build quality than a macbook
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I second the laptop motion, Macbook Pro FTW. Mac Desktops on the other hand, dont waste the money. Build a computer to his liking and dual boot windows and osx. let him try it out for himself.
 
in my experience with using both MacOS and Windows, they both slow down a good bit once you start installing lots of programs, apps, drivers and kexts. to keep this to a minimum I like to install major programs and apps to separate drives. Some programs require installation on a system drive (drive with the OS)so nothing you can do about that, but try and keep the system drive as clean as possible. in my opinion both PC and Mac are the same in this respect.
 
I've gotta agree with bluntforce here. I've been hackintoshing for quite a while and own 2 G4's as well. I've had a fair bit of time on my mum's 20" imac as well and of course they slow down over time. If you install more stuff on anything it'll slow it down simply because there are more processes running and taking up resources.

If your friend isn't a PC enthusiast i'd have to say an imac is a fine computer, much lower maintenance than a PC used less than cautiously, and OSX does perform very well (apart from steam for mac source games, although that could just be my hackintosh and their programming, either way gaming is cack and I've got a 9800GTX and 4gb ram in here).

I'd still be using windows if it wasn't for the Apple-only applications I need (Logic), and the multi platform apps that just seem 'better' on OSX (Photoshop). It all comes down to what your friend wants to do with the computer at the end of the day.

Another thing to bear in mind is longevity. OSX makes much better use of older hardware, and people tend to keep macs longer. For example I have 2 G4's, a 733MHz tower from 2001 which I use occasionally, and my 1.25GHz powerbook G4 from 2003 which is my only laptop and gets used every day. How many PC laptops of that era are still in daily use?
 
I've used OSX and it is a lot more responsive than windows. (similar to linux but without tinkering)

It depends on what you want to do with the system I guess, I love OSX for photo editing & general ease of use without being slowed down.

Apps like photoshop seem a lot quicker and the whole interface is actually easier.

In terms of hardware tho it seems macs are very overpriced and imacs etc are basically pc's with the internals of a laptop
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All OS's have good and bad points so one might be better than the other depending on the situation.

Just stay away from the fanboys who say 'x' is better without backing it up
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Also a lot of people seem to be talking of their experience with hackintosh not proper macs. Using hackintosh requires installing a lot of customised drivers (kext's) and other components so the experience can be different to a mac due to quirks and workarounds.
 
Dude... i use a "proper mac" daily. I sit with 3 of them and a hackintosh. The hackintosh booted from a vanilla install and took Facesmc, audio, and video kext to get it working proper at 4ghz. the 2.6ghz 8core sitting here feels quite slow. Its all about the end user and how they manage their box. Hackintosh is the same thing dude..... Management! Im simply trying to say is its about how much junk you have on the HDD. I dont think the OS is really in question here. we all know they both have there advantages.
 
I run 3 Hackintosh Pro's and a Hackbook and they're are 100% trouble free IF, IFFFF, you do your research. Mine all perform better than an 'off the shelf' Mac of equivalent spec' and/or pricing because I can overclock, use better components and tweak to a far higher degree than on a real Mac.

Plus I can natively boot back into 7 (or XP, 'nix or whatever) when I need to game or Fold.

Easy Squeezy Peas.
 
Yeah research and patience to get it right and you can have a hackintosh of an amazing spec for relatively little cost. Just for this, you can use a bunch of your old pc kit. The OSX doesn't require DirectX of course.

After building a great number of them, I can confidently throw together a Quad/Dual cpu, 4g, and merely an nvidia 7300LE and you have what might otherwise cost you several hundreds down the Apple road. Equally I can take a gtx280 off the shelf and make it a beater of what would normally cost thousands.

Right now I use a G5/ppc dual with Leopard for internet stuff (sporting just an ATI pos agp card cos I blew up the nvidia 6800). Installed 8g of DDR in it (cos I had it laying around), swapped the Superdrive for a pc's dvdrw, and a 160g raptor. Has Office on it too
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Powerbook somewhere that's just handy to have.

Have a decent spec mbp with Snow Leopard for.. showing off (added an SSD and 4g).

A HP elitebook workstation that is awesome (wouldn't support osx on it's own, need addons), but again it's for showing off and travelling. Plays games well too, which is good for hotels/planes.

For me, I like to use Mac based computers for internet stuff and pcs just for gaming. PC's for everyday use are/can be just a pita when they want to be, microsoft related of course.

As an example tho, I lent my MBP to someone and they need little instruction and were impressed by how easy everything just works. Their windows based laptop is just a pita at times.

Reinstalling for both camps is a totally different ball game also. I'm impressed with Windows 7 installation process, but still Leopard has it nailed.
 
Lets get back on track, basically the guy is asking which will be better for his friend who obviously doesn't know that much about hardware components etc etc so making a hackintosh for him is basically out of the question!

Macintosh's are obviously easier for first time user's but horribly overpriced what does he want to do with the mac? I have a MBP for my degree (Graphic Design) but only use it while im in the studio at university while im at home I use my PC not only because I have a dual monitor set up I just feel more comfortable using one and have grown more a custom to all the binds etc on a PC.

I would never debate buying a Mac Desktop simply because of the price, the ability to upgrade and well I don't really like how selfish Mr Jobs is lol!

The Macbook on the other hand is indeed as stated above of great build quality and very easy to carry around unlike some/most windows laptops as for the Mac looks *Yawn* im a bit bored of them although i do like the look of the Macbook airs
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So anyway as for your question, any hardware will begin to slow down after time whether it be a mac or a pc they both use the same type of hardware within, if you know how to treat a "Computer (includes both mac and pc)" haha then its all up to user's preference!

In my opinion macs are not really made for general use I feel their aimed more at the design/music/video community one being the price, two being the ease of use and the laptops are made to beable to run programs like photoshop, premier and others with little to no problems at all, people may disagree with me but that is their opinion
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Ne way you have probably already made your decision lol!
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benj3 said:
In my opinion macs are not really made for general use I feel their aimed more at the design/music/video community one being the price, two being the ease of use and the laptops are made to beable to run programs like photoshop, premier and others with little to no problems at all, people may disagree with me but that is their opinion
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I'm not so sure. You can get a whole range of them for different needs, and the OS is always the same.

Just a quick google:

http://www.google.co.uk/products/ca...og_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CEgQ8wIwAw#

These are nice if you have existing kit, and you can use regular usb mice/keyboards with them. (infact I prefer regular two button mice myself)

If you can find an older mac mini, they're even cheaper.

Of course, if you/he are set on iMac's, they cost a bit more.
 
i use a MBP and a iMac daily, and i can honestly say my life has been easier

the iMac ...itunes works better on mac than on pc

internet, seems faster,

document editing is smoother

bigger tasks dont crash a mac like they do a pc

for example, i imported my music, (65,000 tracks, about 250 gig) to my imac, it froze for 2 minutes, then it just did it...

my MacBook Pro is brilliant, its the best laptop i have owned, by a huge margin...

as for the iMac it is the fastest computer i have ever owned....

however, both are new, so as for long term, im afraid i cannot comment

i can however say that they are very simple, very easy, and very n00b friendly, ....

EDIT: go have a gander at my review here:

http://forum.overclock3d.net/index.php?/topic/31714-apple-imac-27-32ghz-core-i3/
 
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