Interesting Review of watercooling TEC

Looks yummy, but the temps arn't that great on an overclocked processor:

P4 Prescott @ 4.2ghz

Idle: 11oc

Load: 39oc
 
XMS said:
Looks yummy, but the temps arn't that great on an overclocked processor:

P4 Prescott @ 4.2ghz

Idle: 11oc

Load: 39oc

Yeah, I agree here.... I have yet to see real proof that pelts are ACTUALLY worth the money, time, and effort to install one.

If ur gonna do it right... CASCADE! :D
 
FragTek said:
Yeah, I agree here.... I have yet to see real proof that pelts are ACTUALLY worth the money, time, and effort to install one.

If ur gonna do it right... CASCADE! :D

My thoughts exactly. They are fine if you want subzero idle temps, but as soon as you start putting the CPU under load, they are crap IMO.

And for a decent 400w+ pelt, you need to have 2 PSU's laying around to power it.
 
XMS said:
My thoughts exactly. They are fine if you want subzero idle temps, but as soon as you start putting the CPU under load, they are crap IMO.

And for a decent 400w+ pelt, you need to have 2 PSU's laying around to power it.

Exactly! Down with the pelts!!! :nutkick:
 
name='FragTek' said:
Exactly! Down with the pelts!!! :nutkick:

Yea :D

There is one thing i would like to see....a crazy phase change/pelt machine.

Vapo on the CPU

Pelt+Water on the NB

Pelt+Water on the SB

Pelt+Water on the GPU
 
XMS said:
Yea :D

There is one thing i would like to see....a crazy phase change/pelt machine.

Vapo on the CPU

Pelt+Water on the NB

Pelt+Water on the SB

Pelt+Water on the GPU

Hrmmm, yeah that'd be pretty cool... You'd hafta have 3 additional fucking psu's though, lol.

What would happen if you vapo'd the hot side of a pelt? Would the cold side get colder than the vapo?
 
FragTek said:
Hrmmm, yeah that'd be pretty cool... You'd hafta have 3 additional fucking psu's though, lol.

What would happen if you vapo'd the hot side of a pelt? Would the cold side get colder than the vapo?

Interesting question... to which i don't know the answer.

I'm not even sure if the wattage of a pelt is comparative with the wattage of a vapo (i.e 400w pelt vs 200w vapo). I'm pretty sure its not, but then what else does it mean?
 
XMS said:
Interesting question... to which i don't know the answer.

I'm not even sure if the wattage of a pelt is comparative with the wattage of a vapo (i.e 400w pelt vs 200w vapo). I'm pretty sure its not, but then what else does it mean?

Hrmmm... we should ask a pelt expert :) That'd be fly if the whole concept worked. It seems thats if u were to keep the hot side at sub zero temperatures that the cold side would be COLD COLD COLD.

You know anyone that you could ask that's knowledgable with pelts?
 
FragTek said:
Hrmmm... we should ask a pelt expert :) That'd be fly if the whole concept worked. It seems thats if u were to keep the hot side at sub zero temperatures that the cold side would be COLD COLD COLD.

You know anyone that you could ask that's knowledgable with pelts?

I'll have an ask around. I'm sure there is some silly mathematical equasion that you can do for this kind of thing.

You never know....it might go really screwy if the hot side is actually colder than the cold side. The world might end! lol
 
XMS said:
I'll have an ask around. I'm sure there is some silly mathematical equasion that you can do for this kind of thing.

You never know....it might go really screwy if the hot side is actually colder than the cold side. The world might end! lol

lol, the last thing we want is a crazy fision explosion! ;)
 
LOL. That's be cool, I like explosions, they're cool aslong as their not something that goes with your PC!
 
FragTek said:
Hrmmm, yeah that'd be pretty cool... You'd hafta have 3 additional fucking psu's though, lol.

What would happen if you vapo'd the hot side of a pelt? Would the cold side get colder than the vapo?

in short yes this would work the pelt would get crazily low temps , prob is may g oso cold and turn the Mobo/graphs card (whateva mounted on) soo cold that even the slightest movement may snap it and interestingly when certain ceramics get colder the electrica resistance would get lower and so the pelt would get even coolder

<from http://www.electronics-cooling.com/Resources/EC_Articles/SEP96/sep96_04.htm>

Thermal Parameters Needed

The appropriate thermoelectric for an application, depends on at least three parameters. These parameters are the hot surface temperature (Th), the cold surface temperature (Tc), and the heat load to be absorbed at the cold surface (Qc).

The hot side of the thermoelectric is the side where heat is released when DC power is applied. This side is attached to the heat sink. When using an air cooled heat sink (natural or forced convection), the hot side temperature can be found by using Equations 1 and 2.

(1) Th = Tamb + (O) (Qh)

Where

Th = The hot side temperature (°C).

Tamb = The ambient temperature (°C).

O = Thermal resistance of heat exchanger (°C/watt).

and

(2) Qh = Qc + Pin

Where

Qh = the heat released to the hot side of the thermoelectric (watts).

Qc = the heat absorbed from the cold side (watts).

Pin = the electrical input power to the thermoelectric (watts).

The thermal resistance of the heat sink causes a temperature rise above ambient. If the thermal resistance of the heat sink is unknown, then estimates of acceptable temperature rise above ambient are:

Natural Convection 20°C to 40°C

Forced Convection 10°C to 15°C

Liquid Cooling 2°C to 5°C (rise above the liquid coolant temperature)

The heat sink is a key component in the assembly. A heat sink that is too small means that the desired cold side temperature may not be obtained.

The cold side of the thermoelectric is the side that gets cold when DC power is applied. This side may need to be colder than the desired temperature of the cooled object. This is especially true when the cold side is not in direct contact with the object, such as when cooling an enclosure.

The temperature difference across the thermoelectric (T) relates to Th and Tc according to Equation 3.

(3) T = Th - Tc

The thermoelectric performance curves in Figures 2 and 3 show the relationship between T and the other parameters.

Estimating Qc, the heat load in watts absorbed from the cold side is difficult, because all thermal loads in the design must be considered. Among these thermal loads are:

1. Active: I2R heat load from the electronic devices

Any load generated by a chemical reaction

2. Passive: Radiation (heat loss between two close objects with different temperatures)

Convection (heat loss through the air, where the air has a different temperature than the object)

Insulation Losses

Conduction Losses (heat loss through leads, screws, etc.)

Transient Load (time required to change the temperature of an object)
 
Where'd u get that from Joe? The grammar and punctutation is too good to be yours ;)

I'd have to see this to believe it I think.... I can't imagine the pelt getting that fuckin cold.
 
FragTek said:
Where'd u get that from Joe? The grammar and punctutation is too good to be yours ;)

I'd have to see this to believe it I think.... I can't imagine the pelt getting that fuckin cold.

says @ the start of the info in <> brackets lol i dont do langyage i usually communicate using my telepathic abilities (also have telekineses and pyrokineses) but they dont work wit this pc :(

u could do it but the power rewquirements and cost be more effective to have 2pcs (or a truckload of liquid nitrogen)
 
sai_jao said:
says @ the start of the info in <> brackets lol i dont do langyage i usually communicate using my telepathic abilities (also have telekineses and pyrokineses) but they dont work wit this pc :(

u could do it but the power rewquirements and cost be more effective to have 2pcs (or a truckload of liquid nitrogen)

rofl i'll take the truckload of liquid nitrogen :D
 
u guys taking the piss? i didnt write this my dad did i have had to word slightlly different...my dad a computer programer i dont even get the guide but its handy to know lol... i also didnt see where to put it op so xms can you move my guide to tec's to here please
 
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