Intel's Alder Lake i3-12100 is making mincemeat of AMD's Ryzen 3 offerings

[WYP]

Intel's low-end Alder Lake processors are going to make AMD uncomfortable.



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[Gothmoth]

if the new line of ryzen cpus (including low end) will get the 3D v-cache it might look different in the end.


a few sites have reported that e-cores do not much for gamers.
and most benefits for gamers with alder lake come from cache size.


so i think AMD could offer a nice low end package early 2022 when they want too.

 

[WYP]

if the new line of ryzen cpus (including low end) will get the 3D v-cache it might look different in the end.


a few sites have reported that e-cores do not much for gamers.
and most benefits for gamers with alder lake come from cache size.


so i think AMD could offer a nice low end package early 2022 when they want too.

The lower-end Alder Lake chips are all P-cores. That's what the leaks suggest at least. This includes the pre-release hardware leaks that has made it to some reviewers. There's no issues with E-cores if the lower-end models don't have any.

AMD needs better lower-end chips. It remains to be seen how AMD will launch their V-cache enhanced Ryzen chips. It could be a high-end only feature. We will need to wait and see. Even Zen 3 quad-cores would be good competition in the low-end, or a Ryzen 5 5600 non-X.

We may have to wait until AM5 to see an all-new low-end AMD CPU lineup.

 

[Gothmoth]

The lower-end Alder Lake chips are all P-cores. That's what the leaks suggest at least. This includes the pre-release hardware leaks that has made it to some reviewers. There's no issues with E-cores if the lower-end models don't have any.

i know.


my point was that with the P cores the cache seems to be the important factor for gaming.
6 or 8 cores did way less for performance (in the benches i saw) than 16 vs 25 or 30 megabyte cache.


3D v-cache seems like a perfect solution to make a 4 core ryzen a gaming powerhouse.

 

[AlienALX]

AMD got greedy and complacent with the 5000 series. High prices, no lower tier parts at all. And no decent APUs either.

I really don't know why they did that. It's not like you're going to get a budget gamer to spend way more than he wanted to, he will just go elsewhere.

Maybe they have a paranoia about being a lower end brand IDK.

Edit. As for E cores? IMO they are only there to make the power numbers at idle look better. If the fast cores didn't use so much power I doubt they would have even bothered with them. They're only there to bring back the idle power use and general day to day desktop power use.

With a 4/8 CPU it won't guzzle power any way, hence why they haven't use any E cores.

 

[Warchild]

AMD got greedy and complacent with the 5000 series. High prices, no lower tier parts at all. And no decent APUs either.

I really don't know why they did that. It's not like you're going to get a budget gamer to spend way more than he wanted to, he will just go elsewhere.

Maybe they have a paranoia about being a lower end brand IDK.

Edit. As for E cores? IMO they are only there to make the power numbers at idle look better. If the fast cores didn't use so much power I doubt they would have even bothered with them. They're only there to bring back the idle power use and general day to day desktop power use.

With a 4/8 CPU it won't guzzle power any way, hence why they haven't use any E cores.

I dont think they were complacent at all. Greedy, very very much so, but not complacent. Intel became a shining example of complacency to which the world mocked them. AMD would not follow that route.

I wonder if the greed factor has led them along the path of "micro incremental" improvements simply because they can do that. However with Alder lake really impressing the world, AMD must shift it up a gear.

 

[AlienALX]

I still think they have been complacent. With greed comes that complacency. See also - Nvidia. Where are the affordable GPUs? well, there are none. At all. Meaning people begrudgingly pay stupid prices, but won't forget.

The stupidity is that the cheap products usually sell hand over fist, and are the bread and butter of a company. Yet AMD decided to not make any. Like I said, it's almost like they have this hangup about being the crappy budget brand and wanted to hand those sales to Intel or something. Given that Intel have made the only decent affordable gaming chips for a while at least.

And yeah, Intel will come back hard. They always do, because they can afford to. AMD on the other hand? need to be careful. They've been here before, and messed it up then.

 

[KingNosser]

I feel it has more to do with the current shortage, why make low end products when you have so little manufacturing to meet demand on your main lines, adding to that they are making the chips for xbox and sony.

I don't see amd holding back but price wise it was always going to go up in price at some point, as for the budget brand they do have a hang up about it but can you blame them when they were behind and struggling for so long and nearly going bankrupt.

Intel has large amounts of cash to brute force anything but i'm glad there is going to be a leap frogging in competition again, personally not forgotten how stagnant Intel were and the greed they have at times, but biz is biz and they are in it to make money.

imho amd just need to keep doing what they are doing it got them this far, i feel they would have more lower end products if they had the silicone assets to allow them to make them, but tsmc is rammed atm and with nvidia and intel also wanting to make use again it'll only get worse can see amd moving some of it's product to samsung to try and meet demand, but given how next gen prices are going to be nuts the future isn't bright.

 

[NeverBackDown]

Saying AMD was complacent with Ryzen 5000 series is laughable tbh

They had a 20% IPC lift, their third large uplift in a handful of years.

Intel took what 10 years for a major performance leap? And then all of a sudden AMD is complacent? Logic isn't there

It makes perfect sense AMD did not push as much tech since COVID started. There's finite resources and no incentive to push low margin products. People are either buying cheap Chromebooks for online school or high end gaming products. No room for low end CPUs.

 

[AlienALX]

Saying AMD was complacent with Ryzen 5000 series is laughable tbh

They had a 20% IPC lift, their third large uplift in a handful of years.

Intel took what 10 years for a major performance leap? And then all of a sudden AMD is complacent? Logic isn't there

It makes perfect sense AMD did not push as much tech since COVID started. There's finite resources and no incentive to push low margin products. People are either buying cheap Chromebooks for online school or high end gaming products. No room for low end CPUs.

I didn't say they were complacent with the 5000 series. I said they became complacent. The price hikes and lack of budget CPUs began before Covid. And they have sat back on it too, not dropping prices much now. Which tbh? is a bit arrogant.

They're very lucky really. Had Intel not struggled for so long shrinking then Ryzen wouldn't have really been up to much.

That said the entire tech market right now is complacent. Caught up in jacked up prices and stupid levels of inflation. It never ends well.