Intel's 18-core will not be released alongside their X299 platform

[ImprovizoR]

But why? 99% game or something that needs less power than gaming.

BOTH AMD and INTEL are ers in that term. They try to make it sound like you need a new CPU, but do you???

I'm just overreacting for dramatic effect. I have no intention of upgrading until Zen 2 probably.

 

[Korreborg]

I'm just overreacting for dramatic effect. I have no intention of upgrading until Zen 2 probably.

I know the feeling. Something needed to happen.
So I went i5-4670k ->i7-4790k (found one cheap)
And 1440p + 1080ti.
And now i'm looking at custom watercooling.
Just because i want to build something new, but i'm mad at both Intel and AMD

 

[TheF34RChannel]

I know the feeling. Something needed to happen.
So I went i5-4670k ->i7-4790k (found one cheap)
And 1440p + 1080ti.
And now i'm looking at custom watercooling.
Just because i want to build something new, but i'm mad at both Intel and AMD

Not buying anything because you're angry makes no sense; they won't care and you'll be holding out on yourself. You're not buying will have 0% impact. No offense, just saying do yourself justice if you need new hardware.

 

[Korreborg]

No offense, just saying do yourself justice if you need new hardware.

I don't need a new CPU. But they want me/us to believe that we need it.

If not buying has 0% impact, how does buying a new CPU have an impact?

 

[TheF34RChannel]

I don't need a new CPU. But they want me/us to believe that we need it.

If not buying has 0% impact, how does buying a new CPU have an impact?

Ah fair enough.

Well, not exactly 0%, was just a figure of speech.

 

[Excalabur50]

I just love the fact that AMD have kicked Intel fair and square in the gonads and after my little run in with Intel recently I'm liking it even more, I too watched Linus' video and whilst I can't stand the guy, something said watch it and I say he did bring up some valid points.
As far as I'm concerned Intel have ripped us off for too long whilst delivering mediocre products and not supporting their loyal customers and I hope these new threadrippers stomp them into the ground

 

[NeverBackDown]

I just love the fact that AMD have kicked Intel fair and square in the gonads and after my little run in with Intel recently I'm liking it even more, I too watched Linus' video and whilst I can't stand the guy, something said watch it and I say he did bring up some valid points.
As far as I'm concerned Intel have ripped us off for too long whilst delivering mediocre products and not supporting their loyal customers and I hope these new threadrippers stomp them into the ground

I believe this is how many people feel. People will argue over whether or not AMD and Ryzen are gonna dent Intel's profits in any market for months and months, probably years. Yet this launch by Intel is really showing people that even if Ryzen fails, it will still be a success. Ryzen caught Intel, the Fab gods of the world since nearly the startup of the company, and just got schooled by some company called AMD who seemingly is going under by their years of burning cash and making losses quarter after quarter. Goes to show Intel truly have been laying back on their heels just raking in profits with no innovation. I am not sure why I am surprised that AMD caught Intel to the degree we are seeing, I mean before Ryzen launched, the ENTIRE industry was waiting for AMD to release it. Intel were desperate and tried catching some of the marketing hype roughly the start of this year but to no avail. So should we be surprised? I think we should have expected something like this to happen but to this extent? No. I don't think anybody expected this. Certainly not Intel. I think threadripper was probably the best-kept secret in years for the tech industry. Nobody saw it coming until a mere few months ago. Which is odd since they did announce a 32 core monster chip to go along with 8 core Zen.
Intel may still have the slight edge, but anything less than their best and Ryzen/Zen 2 is going to be an even bigger problem for them.

 

[Excalabur50]

As soon as funds allow I will be switching to AMD and might even go Threadripper myself and my gaming mates that have been asking me what to buy I've been directing them to Ryzen not Intel anymore as AMD price to performance is just too good not to support them now and IMHO Intel don't deserve any support

 

[Avet]

AMD has caught intel with its pants down. We have a proper 2 horse race. People are going for AMD and considering AMD. We didn't have that in last 10 years. This epic.

 

[AlienALX]

Not buying anything because you're angry makes no sense; they won't care and you'll be holding out on yourself. You're not buying will have 0% impact. No offense, just saying do yourself justice if you need new hardware.

That's the thing though. Because Intel have held the market pretty much still for years no one needs a new CPU. Not unless they are still rocking an old X58 board and CPU. And the thing is, many with X58 are still doing perfectly fine.

The CPU market is not like the GPU market. Games don't come out and render your CPU obsolete.

I want Ryzen so bad. Thing is I already have two more than capable CPUs (5820k and 8 core Xeon) so where do I go? and do I really need a CPU? the answer is no. Even my 6 core Phenom 2 with an SSD more than justifies itself in the Ubuntu rig it runs.

Many of my friends have gone to Ryzen from things like the 2500k which will make a massive difference both in IPC and threaded apps. Me? yeah, it's a lot harder to justify.

 

[TheF34RChannel]

That's the thing though. Because Intel have held the market pretty much still for years no one needs a new CPU. Not unless they are still rocking an old X58 board and CPU. And the thing is, many with X58 are still doing perfectly fine.

The CPU market is not like the GPU market. Games don't come out and render your CPU obsolete.

I want Ryzen so bad. Thing is I already have two more than capable CPUs (5820k and 8 core Xeon) so where do I go? and do I really need a CPU? the answer is no. Even my 6 core Phenom 2 with an SSD more than justifies itself in the Ubuntu rig it runs.

Many of my friends have gone to Ryzen from things like the 2500k which will make a massive difference both in IPC and threaded apps. Me? yeah, it's a lot harder to justify.

Oh yeah it's become more of a new board features thing than anything. However only just now the older CPUs are beginning to show their age where the newer ones are beneficial (digital foundry).

You're good with what you've got for sure!

 

[BigDaddyKong]

I think people are not seeing the forest for the trees. This move is actually good for the consumer, and even better for Intel. One thing a person with a Z270 does not have is an upgrade path. That person will either sit on that chip and chipset for 3 to 5 years until there is enough performance to entice them to buy a new system, or they upgrade every year or every other year for only a 10% performance bump on a good year. They go X299, they can get a 4 core chip, but if they want an upgrade as games become more multi threaded, they can just buy a new chip, and memory. They don't need to buy a new chipset, and will have more money to put into the new Intel chip. That is all money in Intel's pocket not going to the board makers. With better multi threading, consumers will get a much greater performance boost going from a 4 chip to an 8 core chip, than just buying the next iteration of the Z370, or what ever Intel would call it. It's a win for everyone.

 

[Avet]

I think Kabby Lake X is a complete miss for Intel. There is no point in giving 100 Euro more for a board that you won't use not in a half capacity, just for the idea that you can upgrade latter.

 

[AngryGoldfish]

I think people are not seeing the forest for the trees. This move is actually good for the consumer, and even better for Intel. One thing a person with a Z270 does not have is an upgrade path. That person will either sit on that chip and chipset for 3 to 5 years until there is enough performance to entice them to buy a new system, or they upgrade every year or every other year for only a 10% performance bump on a good year. They go X299, they can get a 4 core chip, but if they want an upgrade as games become more multi threaded, they can just buy a new chip, and memory. They don't need to buy a new chipset, and will have more money to put into the new Intel chip. That is all money in Intel's pocket not going to the board makers. With better multi threading, consumers will get a much greater performance boost going from a 4 chip to an 8 core chip, than just buying the next iteration of the Z370, or what ever Intel would call it. It's a win for everyone.

Except Intel's 6 or 8 CPU's cost a small fortune compared to the competitor.


€180 for budget X299 motherboard
€150 for decent DDR4 16GB dual channel
€350 for 7740K

Two years later replace dual channel 16GB kit for quad channel 16/32GB kit at €200-300
Replace 7740K with 6 or 8-core variant, something the market will have had for 4-5 years for €350-600

Total cost = €1230-1500

I don't consider that a win.


OR you can buy a good B350 motherboard for €100
€150 for good DDR4 16GB dual channel memory because that's all you really need
and €300 for a R7 1700.

Then two years later buy a 10-core variant that clocks higher for €300 (hypothetical price and specification based on speculation).

Total cost = €950.

I consider that a win.

 

[tolagarf]

I find it very odd that the i9 7800X doesn't support 2666 MHz memory speeds, but 2400 MHz instead (official speed limits). Also no Turbo Boost 3.0. Almost smells like this specific CPU is a re-branded model, possibly Broadwell-E?

 

[TheF34RChannel]

I find it very odd that the i9 7800X doesn't support 2666 MHz memory speeds, but 2400 MHz instead (official speed limits). Also no Turbo Boost 3.0. Almost smells like this specific CPU is a re-branded model, possibly Broadwell-E?

Nah don't think so. Maybe it's got to do with CFL-S?

 

[BigDaddyKong]

Except Intel's 6 or 8 CPU's cost a small fortune compared to the competitor.


€180 for budget X299 motherboard
€150 for decent DDR4 16GB dual channel
€350 for 7740K

Two years later replace dual channel 16GB kit for quad channel 16/32GB kit at €200-300
Replace 7740K with 6 or 8-core variant, something the market will have had for 4-5 years for €350-600

Total cost = €1230-1500

I don't consider that a win.


OR you can buy a good B350 motherboard for €100
€150 for good DDR4 16GB dual channel memory because that's all you really need
and €300 for a R7 1700.

Then two years later buy a 10-core variant that clocks higher for €300 (hypothetical price and specification based on speculation).

Total cost = €950.

I consider that a win.

Lol, as an AMD user and buyer, I agree. But there are people that buy Intel, just like they buy Nvidia GPU's. For them, it is a plus on that platform. It may not be the best option, but at least they will have an option, unlike before.

 

[AngryGoldfish]

Lol, as an AMD user and buyer, I agree. But there are people that buy Intel, just like they buy Nvidia GPU's. For them, it is a plus on that platform. It may not be the best option, but at least they will have an option, unlike before.

Well, yeah, that's technically true. But it's not a win for consumers in general. It's a win for those would think Intel are 'winning' even if they stuck with four cores for another few years, not what I would consider the general public.

 

[Avet]

Lol, as an AMD user and buyer, I agree. But there are people that buy Intel, just like they buy Nvidia GPU's. For them, it is a plus on that platform. It may not be the best option, but at least they will have an option, unlike before.

You are right but have in mind that most of the customers aren't fanboys. They seek price/performance ratio, and for the moment Intel is just not worth the money for people that need PC for work. I saw many people going for Ryzen and being extremely pleased.

 

[Excalabur50]

Except Intel's 6 or 8 CPU's cost a small fortune compared to the competitor.


€180 for budget X299 motherboard
€150 for decent DDR4 16GB dual channel
€350 for 7740K

Two years later replace dual channel 16GB kit for quad channel 16/32GB kit at €200-300
Replace 7740K with 6 or 8-core variant, something the market will have had for 4-5 years for €350-600

Total cost = €1230-1500

I don't consider that a win.



OR you can buy a good B350 motherboard for €100
€150 for good DDR4 16GB dual channel memory because that's all you really need
and €300 for a R7 1700.

Then two years later buy a 10-core variant that clocks higher for €300 (hypothetical price and specification based on speculation).

Total cost = €950.

I consider that a win.

Totally agree with this, the KabbyX are a joke and another kick in the teeth from Intel