WYP
News Guru
We are finally moving away from Skylake!
Read more about Intel's plans to have 10nm Ice Lake "on shelves" in 2019.
Read more about Intel's plans to have 10nm Ice Lake "on shelves" in 2019.
Intel's 10nm Ice Lake Processor to Release This Year with Sunny Cove Cores
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NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
About time. Might be too late though if AMD launches on 7nm this year
looz
Active member
Comparing Intel 10nm vs. AMD 7nm is pretty meaningless, between different processes more smaller doesn't necessarily equate to more better.
WYP
News Guru
That depends on how good Zen 2 is. Process node isn't everything. Yes, it is an advantage, but AMD needs a big jump.
Beyond that, "too late" is a bit much, Intel has enough money to rebound. They could be behind in some markets for a few quarters, but it will take ages for Intel to sustain big damages. Rome wasn't built in a day, but it didn't collapse in a day either.
There is also the fact that AMD just launches Ryzen Mobile 3000, which means that AMD won't have 7nm mobile for another year or so, which pretty much means that Intel has a solid lock on that market for the most part.
Lets not forget that according to Intel they launched 10nm in Q2 2018 with Cannon Lake for mobile systems, but unless you've bought the one system that shipped in(AFAIK), a variant of the NUC, you've probably never seen it.
That time around they could only cram two cores onto the silicon with no iGPU (We can assume it's a limit to allow acceptable yields), so given that Sunny Cove is a wider architecture(As are Gen11 iGPU's vs Gen10) and they're going to have to cram a GPU on the silicon this time I seriously wouldn't expect more than dual core Intel 10nm parts in 2019, maybe quad core with a small GPU, and probably mostly for NUCs and a few ultrabooks or something along those lines.
I think there's another hint in their discussion of 10nm itself, theres no mention of performance improvements from the node, only efficiency, and the same was true for OG 14nm (Non plus) vs late 22nm, where we saw Devils Canyon give us the first hint of Intel's node woes, it'll likely take a 10nm++ (Ice lake is 10+) or so before we see clock speeds reaching acceptable desktop levels and I doubt we'll see the regular 5Ghz clocks of 14nm++++(?) for a couple of years.
That time around they could only cram two cores onto the silicon with no iGPU (We can assume it's a limit to allow acceptable yields), so given that Sunny Cove is a wider architecture(As are Gen11 iGPU's vs Gen10) and they're going to have to cram a GPU on the silicon this time I seriously wouldn't expect more than dual core Intel 10nm parts in 2019, maybe quad core with a small GPU, and probably mostly for NUCs and a few ultrabooks or something along those lines.
I think there's another hint in their discussion of 10nm itself, theres no mention of performance improvements from the node, only efficiency, and the same was true for OG 14nm (Non plus) vs late 22nm, where we saw Devils Canyon give us the first hint of Intel's node woes, it'll likely take a 10nm++ (Ice lake is 10+) or so before we see clock speeds reaching acceptable desktop levels and I doubt we'll see the regular 5Ghz clocks of 14nm++++(?) for a couple of years.
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Launching 10nm before AMD launches 7nm on mobile doesn't mean intel have the upper hand on mobile. I'd say AMD will still be a better option just because of vega graphics built-in, and that should be true even if intel 11th gen graphics catch up to the integrated vega graphics on AMD APUs because pricing.
Intel really needs to work in pricing if they want sales, cuz I can't see myself opting for a intel powered laptop if there's an AMD equivalent with more RAM, better graphics performance and SSD storage for the same price. Just because the manufacturer had more money to put into other things since the CPU was cheaper.
looz
Active member
Intel's approach works quite well for laptops - high brief turbo frequency with high efficiency at idle makes for responsive web browsing combined with decent battery life.
At least first generation of Ryzen couldn't match Intel's battery life, not even close. But it's good to have options obviously.
At least first generation of Ryzen couldn't match Intel's battery life, not even close. But it's good to have options obviously.
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
I understand that. However if AMD launch 7nm first and get chips out first it'll be a bug deal and likely get the initial consumers first which will hurt Intel's initial launch sales. In Mobile if AMD also get to launch first people will definitely be interested in getting laptops with a ton of cores.
