WYP
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Will Intel's efforts alleviate the world's GPU shortage.
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Intel plans to ship over 4 million ARC Alchemist GPUs in 2022
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NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
Biggest hurdle is on the software side. Can they get solid stable drivers with modern features and can already released games from the get go support the new architecture without issues.
If they can't do that it doesn't matter if they perform well.
If they can't do that it doesn't matter if they perform well.
KingNosser
Well-known member
While i don't feel them numbers are much tbh, it's something, but would i ever want to be an early adopter on a new GPU not a chance, but hopefully they can do it right and thats the real issue really. while some will take them up on that others will be watching closely to see how well they do and if they do well then maybe in the future.
They need to get it right or they might as well quit now, regular driver updates are a must on new games, so i hope the team in place can deal with that.
They also need to get moving quickly onto the next batch as they are going to be left in the dust come the end of the year.
They need to get it right or they might as well quit now, regular driver updates are a must on new games, so i hope the team in place can deal with that.
They also need to get moving quickly onto the next batch as they are going to be left in the dust come the end of the year.
Dicehunter
Resident Newb
While a 3rd player in the market is sorely needed they are going to be behind fairly quickly, Nvidia is set to release their new 4000 series around September, Likely the same time as AMD's RDNA3, And considering Intels top of the line GPU will be around 3070 Ti performance it is going to have to come in at a really low price to compete with Nvidia and AMD's next gen offerings.
AlienALX
Well-known member
Nvidia can race on all they want to. It's not about selling the top end GPU and never was. Most people would settle for a kick in the nuts about now. You know? A 6500XT or 3050. The former being an absolute insult to PC gamers.
Intel have delayed ARC for a couple of months so expect it around June, not April as touted. The reason? Drivers literally. Raja made a statement with words to effect that the drivers are critical.
There are plenty of cards in stock now. Like literally loads. Problem is they're all lolprice.
Dicehunter
Resident Newb
Yes I know I never said it was about AMD or Nvidia's top end, AMD and Nvidia will have low and mid range cards out on their new archs that will be fast, Likely around 3060 Ti and 3070 Ti levels, Intel need to be savvy with pricing, If all they can muster is a 3060 Ti and 3070 Ti when it comes to performance then their pricing needs to be decent to entice new customers.
AlienALX
Well-known member
They'll be very savvy with pricing. They have to be. It'll be a rerun of Polaris. Nothing world beating but a market grab.
AMD flew up on market share with Polaris. I often wonder whose idea Vega was tbh. I mean yeah Raja launched it but it was far more GCN old hat based than the much more forward looking Polaris and Navi.
Don't worry about Intel "only" being able to compete with the 3070ti. From what I'm hearing next year they'll be right up there even with Nvidia.
Besides, as I said you can buy any GPU you want right now bit no one will. The whole big Ampere buzz is over and the prices are a total joke. It'll be next year before anything is worth buying, let alone nigh two year old over priced Ampere cards.
Most people have totally gone off of the subject and that's why there's stock everywhere. As the old saying goes "you can charge as much as you like if no one will pay it".
Restrictions and even testing is all bit finished in the UK. People won't be thinking so hard about paying triple what a graphics card is worth for much longer.
AMD flew up on market share with Polaris. I often wonder whose idea Vega was tbh. I mean yeah Raja launched it but it was far more GCN old hat based than the much more forward looking Polaris and Navi.
Don't worry about Intel "only" being able to compete with the 3070ti. From what I'm hearing next year they'll be right up there even with Nvidia.
Besides, as I said you can buy any GPU you want right now bit no one will. The whole big Ampere buzz is over and the prices are a total joke. It'll be next year before anything is worth buying, let alone nigh two year old over priced Ampere cards.
Most people have totally gone off of the subject and that's why there's stock everywhere. As the old saying goes "you can charge as much as you like if no one will pay it".
Restrictions and even testing is all bit finished in the UK. People won't be thinking so hard about paying triple what a graphics card is worth for much longer.
KingNosser
Well-known member
The fact that ego raja is involved doesn't give me much hope being honest, but Intel and cheap are not something i've noticed since sandybridge, they will price it up just watch them.
AlienALX
Well-known member
You need an ego in this business. If that wasn't made clear in the early 2000s when Nvidia steamrolled every other GPU company with ego and word of mouth then I don't know what you would consider enough.
Let's face it, people don't just buy things based on performance and price. They buy things to feel better than others. If that philosophy didn't exist we'd all build our own super cars in our garage.
If a single part existed in the PC market where it's all about ego it is the GPU. Quite simply? That is why they are hands down the most expensive PC parts. Because as soon as Nvidia hit the market they made it all about bragging and ego.
So that's not a bad thing, and certainly not in the GPU market. In fact it's exactly what is needed to take on Nvidia.
What he needed was the money. And RTG have been well documented to show that they are not willing to invest that kind of money. Well, either not willing or basically don't have it (I suspect it's a bit of both). If AMD didn't pull the purse strings so tight they wouldn't be here after Bulldozer.
Now I hear that is changing and they are using some of the Ryzen profit to invest into their GPUs. This is good, we don't want another Vega.
Intel however? Have almost limitless money. They spew it from every orifice. So combine the two? And yeah, easily the most exciting thing to happen in 20 years IMO. Ego and bragging be damned if that is what it takes to knock Jen from his perch.
KingNosser
Well-known member
Well it sure turned around after ryzen and raja leaving but that is more just they then had the funds to invest, while Intel have a lot of money they will waste plenty getting into the gpu space, it'll pay off eventually but not any time soon is my feeling.
I've noticed alot that all the bugs and issues in games that most have, i haven't so amd are doing some things right, but Intel really need to do likewise to get anywhere at all.
Nvidia have needed knocking down a peg or two for years, personally I don't like the way they gen lock things when some not all but some can be done on the older hardware it's forced obsolescence and they love doing it.
Jensun has an even bigger ego than raja, but all i care about is the product, but Intel are poaching up staff from other companies buying there way into the market starting to think thats all they can do.
Either way a third is better for most people but your not be seeing a price battle they will just charge the going rate.
I've noticed alot that all the bugs and issues in games that most have, i haven't so amd are doing some things right, but Intel really need to do likewise to get anywhere at all.
Nvidia have needed knocking down a peg or two for years, personally I don't like the way they gen lock things when some not all but some can be done on the older hardware it's forced obsolescence and they love doing it.
Jensun has an even bigger ego than raja, but all i care about is the product, but Intel are poaching up staff from other companies buying there way into the market starting to think thats all they can do.
Either way a third is better for most people but your not be seeing a price battle they will just charge the going rate.
AlienALX
Well-known member
Of course they won't make a ton of money to begin with. No business does tbh. They have the 5 year rule. IE if you can stay in business five years by working super hard and not wasting money you can start to do well from it.
Raja deffo has a big ego though. Not only have we seen it but the rumours coming out of Intel weren't good. Everyone there had big egoes and thus all strutted around like hens and wouldn't help each other. That's why they brought in Keller and got rid of a couple of big heads high up.
We've seen Raja's ego clearly before with the whole "Poor Volta" campaign with Vega. Which turned out to be a big hilarious joke because Vega was so poo that Nvidia didn't even release any Volta apart from the Titan V. That's how much of a joke it was.
However.
If you imagine Raja but with the money to back up his mouth? You'll realise that's exactly what you need. Not only are most Nvidia products decent but they also have "king Gobber" knobbing around in his 40 year out of date leather jacket acting like some sort of knob god.
I am sure with the muscle to back up his words Raja is the type to kick his ass. Which again is what it will take.
AMD 6000 was decent. Still not as good as Nvidia but the whole launch has just been very quiet and has done absolutely bugger all to gain mindshare and take the fight to Nvidia.
Which is what Polaris did. At the time Nvidia were taking the pee with the 970 3.5gb and the 980. The 470 and 480 cost almost half and no corners were cut. Which if you take into account the way Nvidia actually handled it by lolling in their own customer's faces? Just shows you how badly AMD needed to continue the fight. They should have ditched Vega entirely IMO. All it did was damage the progress they had clearly made.
And BTW Polaris wasn't hugely financially rewarding for AMD. Margins were low, which they have now U turned on with the 6000 series. Back to the cash grabbing completely wiping out the gains Raja got for them in market share because they didn't have the balls or the money to follow through.
That's one area where Intel will continue, as they do have the money.
So IMO? Perfect storm conditions with an extremely high chance of rain and gale force winds.
Bring it.
Raja deffo has a big ego though. Not only have we seen it but the rumours coming out of Intel weren't good. Everyone there had big egoes and thus all strutted around like hens and wouldn't help each other. That's why they brought in Keller and got rid of a couple of big heads high up.
We've seen Raja's ego clearly before with the whole "Poor Volta" campaign with Vega. Which turned out to be a big hilarious joke because Vega was so poo that Nvidia didn't even release any Volta apart from the Titan V. That's how much of a joke it was.
However.
If you imagine Raja but with the money to back up his mouth? You'll realise that's exactly what you need. Not only are most Nvidia products decent but they also have "king Gobber" knobbing around in his 40 year out of date leather jacket acting like some sort of knob god.
I am sure with the muscle to back up his words Raja is the type to kick his ass. Which again is what it will take.
AMD 6000 was decent. Still not as good as Nvidia but the whole launch has just been very quiet and has done absolutely bugger all to gain mindshare and take the fight to Nvidia.
Which is what Polaris did. At the time Nvidia were taking the pee with the 970 3.5gb and the 980. The 470 and 480 cost almost half and no corners were cut. Which if you take into account the way Nvidia actually handled it by lolling in their own customer's faces? Just shows you how badly AMD needed to continue the fight. They should have ditched Vega entirely IMO. All it did was damage the progress they had clearly made.
And BTW Polaris wasn't hugely financially rewarding for AMD. Margins were low, which they have now U turned on with the 6000 series. Back to the cash grabbing completely wiping out the gains Raja got for them in market share because they didn't have the balls or the money to follow through.
That's one area where Intel will continue, as they do have the money.
So IMO? Perfect storm conditions with an extremely high chance of rain and gale force winds.
Bring it.
KingNosser
Well-known member
Intel are in for a hard battle later in the year nvidia with a massive die most likely the last of it's kind and amd going fully chiplet, both them cards are going to make it hard on Intel, but regardless of my thoughts on raja, they are starting out on the right foot as what they have can scale, it really comes down to drivers and people will be watching like hawks, thing is they will be watching not buying on mass is my feeling.
If Intel get it right thou then they can at least grab some market in the midrange.
AMD have done decent, i like the card i have it's far better than what most think, nvidia are ahead in DXR, but they wont be for long.
Thou given nvidia is going a massive die for one more run, that thing is going to eat power it'll almost be like a gigabyte PSU
Intresting times thou lately, but all my upgrades are on hold until I need it now want vs need and atm my system copes well with everything so not broke don't fix it rule.
What i'll find intresting with nvidia is they will come out and say msrp of a 4080 is $800 and the audience will laugh at them, if they do that it'll happen, people won't fall for that shizzle a 2nd time around XD
If Intel get it right thou then they can at least grab some market in the midrange.
AMD have done decent, i like the card i have it's far better than what most think, nvidia are ahead in DXR, but they wont be for long.
Thou given nvidia is going a massive die for one more run, that thing is going to eat power it'll almost be like a gigabyte PSU
Intresting times thou lately, but all my upgrades are on hold until I need it now want vs need and atm my system copes well with everything so not broke don't fix it rule.
What i'll find intresting with nvidia is they will come out and say msrp of a 4080 is $800 and the audience will laugh at them, if they do that it'll happen, people won't fall for that shizzle a 2nd time around XD
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I dont think anyone will topple Nvidia. However we may see an end to their whole milking practise or miniscule incremental gains
They wont be able to take the market for granted, releasing a mediocre (from their POV) card only to release the flagship later down the line after 4 months. It could be they have to present their true high end performance cards from the get go, or suffer sales losses to Intel/AMD.
who knows...
They wont be able to take the market for granted, releasing a mediocre (from their POV) card only to release the flagship later down the line after 4 months. It could be they have to present their true high end performance cards from the get go, or suffer sales losses to Intel/AMD.
who knows...
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
One can dream. I just hope we get perf/watt increases without the watt increase along with it as it seems to have been of late... We're getting more efficient at using more power instead of getting more out of the same amount of power.
But either way I'm on board with your line of thinking
AlienALX
Well-known member
There's no doubt Nvidia are now in trouble.
Not from Intel releasing a GPU, but by their failed attempt to buy ARM.
They've been milking the crap out of their GPUs no doubt, bit they've always desperately needed another avenue. The reason why Intel are such a huge threat is because they can also make CPUs, and APUs and anything to completely wipe Nvidia from a sale. Laptops mainly, but they also make CPUs for small devices also.
For years anything even remotely powerful in those terms has meant Nvidia mostly or AMD on a much smaller scale get a sale with those laptops. Any one doing serious work ignoring gaming would need a GPU.
Intel will soon be in a position not only to compete at every level but also make APUs. Like, decent APUs. Ones AMD seems to badly shy away from for what I can only imagine is not to upset either Sony or Microsoft. If they released what I would consider to be a decent APU it would hurt console sales.
I know Nvidia be laughing now but I would be very worried tbh. Mass adoption doesn't just mean discrete GPUs. Laptops could pretty much force people onto Intel GPUs whether they want them or not.
Not from Intel releasing a GPU, but by their failed attempt to buy ARM.
They've been milking the crap out of their GPUs no doubt, bit they've always desperately needed another avenue. The reason why Intel are such a huge threat is because they can also make CPUs, and APUs and anything to completely wipe Nvidia from a sale. Laptops mainly, but they also make CPUs for small devices also.
For years anything even remotely powerful in those terms has meant Nvidia mostly or AMD on a much smaller scale get a sale with those laptops. Any one doing serious work ignoring gaming would need a GPU.
Intel will soon be in a position not only to compete at every level but also make APUs. Like, decent APUs. Ones AMD seems to badly shy away from for what I can only imagine is not to upset either Sony or Microsoft. If they released what I would consider to be a decent APU it would hurt console sales.
I know Nvidia be laughing now but I would be very worried tbh. Mass adoption doesn't just mean discrete GPUs. Laptops could pretty much force people onto Intel GPUs whether they want them or not.
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