Intel ARC Battlemage GPU Specifications Leak

I feel in my view this is a card that was already planned, but held back and the stack reworked pretty sure the 64 core was meant to be the top card last time around.

still at least they made progress driver wise, but it's not even like they have a full stack of cards, but these will make good lower end budget cards as by the time it's out pretty sure it won't live upto much more than that.
 
Warchild said:
I see nothing wrong with that. Only an issue if you want to watercool the card.
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It's not hot glue. It is just that single use double sided adhesive. Hair dryer gets it apart in no time.

There wasn't any point in water cooling ARC, so it wasn't a problem. What it did do however was make it one of the cleanest looking designs I've ever seen, so it swings on roundabouts.

I'm kinda annoyed, because I would buy an ARC GPU right now. The 770 is really cheap, and I could do with a spare. Problem is I don't know who to believe and what to trust, and I don't want to end up stuck with an unsupported potato :(
 
I don't think it's worth the time alien even just to test out sure the drivers have improved and maybe as a spare backup but even a 66/7/00XT is a far more viable option.

But true it is a nice looking card slim design, maybe pick one up and just keep it if your a collector style minded.

but going forward Intel right now are where amd were years back so the vendor stack has shifted, idk if they will quit it or not in truth and i'm not overly positive about the cards atm.

However I do hope they stick at it and see it through until they are on par, it's needed but in truth at that point it'll just really not be so different in my view, the costs and GDP these companies have is what it is so they are going to charge when able regardless.
 
I don't think you get my viewpoint dude.

If we all do what you say and buy AMD or Nvidia then Intel will stop making them. Do you see? we will just be supporting what we hate, and I can't do that end of.

That is the part of this launch that has angered me quite considerably. The whole world is bleating about GPU prices and how Nvidia have a monopoly and how AMD are kissing their backside and cosying up to them with prices. We have longed for a competitor for effing years, and when one comes along all we say is "Nope, they are crap don't bother".

That is seriously counter constructive. It's destructive human behaviour as usual.

Kinda like how Gamers Nexus is totally pessimistic and even when something truly fantastic comes along he barely manages to cough up a compliment. Yet everything else is bad, rubbish etc.

I watched his review of the Lian Li Odyssey X and he didn't even put a proper build in it. Just manhandled it and criticised it completely, failing to mention any of its good points. IE - it is gorgeous, 100% alu, amazing quality, beautifully put together and so on.

And then Jay just basically copied him. Jay however didn't even bother to put a basic setup in there and look at the temps etc he just walked around it complaining. No data AT ALL. All whilst he has a case that costs about $2000 that he didn't even have to pay for.

And that's the issue isn't it? all of the reviewers are being handed free 4090s and haven't had to pay for hardware in years* why would they say anything positive about ARC?

* Yes I am fully aware GN buys things he "reviews". However, he then makes back a thousand times what he spent by YT revenue.
 
Warchild said:
I see nothing wrong with that. Only an issue if you want to watercool the card.
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Or do basic maintenance a one or two years down the line, like cleaning the heatsink from dust and replacing the thermal paste, maybe even thermal pads if they degraded.
 
For me it just got off to a rough start but they had to start somewhere, it's better now than it was and if your honest and been a teen again on a small budget it's tempting but not at the very start the amount of issues it had were many and even now while better there are still some things.

It's less of a disaster now, but in my view this is Intel sure might be new to GPU's but they are not a new vendor and my feeling with them is when they didnt have competition they stagnated the market and milked it.

In the end they are good lower budget cards, but mark my thinking here when they are on par in some form, they will be no different and slot right in along where they feel they can take a slice same as amd do.

My issue with nvidia is many things but it's the way they segment software and cut you out and say oh buy this new one it'll do that for you.

I think for a first shot it's useful and for a budget minded teen viable.

But i don't see that anyone should support it just to keep them intrested thinking that they would be any different, this is Intel we are talking about, now if voodoo were reborn and making cards or some kind of new tech different way of doing things from a new vendor and it was intresting well then that is a different thing totally.

take moore's laws YT comments with the games he played at the start he said 1 in 5 worked, now since they have worked on drivers they all seem to work, but for whatever reason he can't open the control panel of the card.

So I'm not saying don't I'm not saying it's bad or questioning what you want to do, it's upto you, just my personal feeling is I'd rather buy a 6700 or a 3060 than deal with it for me £250 is still a chunk of change for me.

My aim at the moment is clear some debts save for the next gen wait and see.
 
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AlienALX said:
I watched his review of the Lian Li Odyssey X and he didn't even put a proper build in it. Just manhandled it and criticised it completely, failing to mention any of its good points. IE - it is gorgeous, 100% alu, amazing quality, beautifully put together and so on.
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Not to defend them in any way, but from an impartial view point, that is highly subjective and hence why I understand why they didn't mention it.

To you it might look gorgeous, but to me personally, I think it's not unfortunately. It feels "too much" and kinda like Cooler Master's Cosmos case a few years ago.

Just as an example to that specific statement though :)
 
Dawelio said:
Not to defend them in any way, but from an impartial view point, that is highly subjective and hence why I understand why they didn't mention it.

To you it might look gorgeous, but to me personally, I think it's not unfortunately. It feels "too much" and kinda like Cooler Master's Cosmos case a few years ago.

Just as an example to that specific statement though :)
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Point you are missing is that neither of us are reviewing it, are we? so that means remaining impartial and not trying to influence people.

Only that is exactly what they do.

It is nothing like the Cosmos. It may look similar, but that is where it ends. I had a Cosmos 2, and it looked great but the inside of it was very old fashioned. Cooling options were pretty limited.

BTW most of the material in the Cosmos is plastic.
 
KingNosser said:
For me it just got off to a rough start but they had to start somewhere, it's better now than it was and if your honest and been a teen again on a small budget it's tempting but not at the very start the amount of issues it had were many and even now while better there are still some things.
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If people don't buy them they won't last long enough to become good. Who would continue to make GPUs no one buys and throw them all in a landfill?

ATI GPUs used to be no good. Not compared to Nvidia and 3DFX. But people bought them because they weren't being continually reminded they were bad. Even though they were. Dang man the drivers were fudging awful. Continual system freezes and hangs.

They got very good with the 9000 series. 9700 Pro and 9800 to be specific, but the drivers were still years behind. That said they were much more affordable.

Like I said though, Intel will not continue peeing money down a hole until they win. It just won't happen. Nvidia and AMD didn't either.

If I knew right now I would get the lifetime out of the card (3 years) I would buy one, absolutely no doubt. Problem is all of these D bags spreading rumours and talking crap. Like "Intel are not releasing their GPUs at all it has all been cancelled". I bet Jen wrote that one himself ffs.
 
AlienALX said:
Point you are missing is that neither of us are reviewing it, are we? so that means remaining impartial and not trying to influence people.

Only that is exactly what they do.

It is nothing like the Cosmos. It may look similar, but that is where it ends. I had a Cosmos 2, and it looked great but the inside of it was very old fashioned. Cooling options were pretty limited.

BTW most of the material in the Cosmos is plastic.
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I didn't say anything about how the Cosmos where or it's materials now did I?... I just simply pointed out that to me, personally, the mentioned Odyssey X, kinda had a resemblance to the old Cosmos.

Now if it did or didn't overall, that's not the point. Cause I spoke my personal view on it, which again, has nothing to do with the case overall :)
 
Dawelio said:
I didn't say anything about how the Cosmos where or it's materials now did I?... I just simply pointed out that to me, personally, the mentioned Odyssey X, kinda had a resemblance to the old Cosmos.

Now if it did or didn't overall, that's not the point. Cause I spoke my personal view on it, which again, has nothing to do with the case overall :)
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And that is fine. I didn't buy it for you, but I know now not to buy you one :D
 
AlienALX said:
If people don't buy them they won't last long enough to become good. Who would continue to make GPUs no one buys and throw them all in a landfill?

ATI GPUs used to be no good. Not compared to Nvidia and 3DFX. But people bought them because they weren't being continually reminded they were bad. Even though they were. Dang man the drivers were fudging awful. Continual system freezes and hangs.

They got very good with the 9000 series. 9700 Pro and 9800 to be specific, but the drivers were still years behind. That said they were much more affordable.

Like I said though, Intel will not continue peeing money down a hole until they win. It just won't happen. Nvidia and AMD didn't either.

If I knew right now I would get the lifetime out of the card (3 years) I would buy one, absolutely no doubt. Problem is all of these D bags spreading rumours and talking crap. Like "Intel are not releasing their GPUs at all it has all been cancelled". I bet Jen wrote that one himself ffs.
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Why would you support something or any product that isn't a good one, no one buys chocolate bars they don't like just cause they might get better and while Intel have sorted out a lot of issues with drivers, that doesn't mean it wasn't universally shat on for very good reason.

Same with AMD and bulldozer.

I do not see why Intel should be given a free ticket into the GPU market and supported without earning it, they need to do what any company would, nvidia and ati were in the game early on it's why the last 20 years has gone that way for them, if Intel cared about GPU's so much they should have started back then when it was easier they were by far a big enough company to have done so.

A bad product is a bad product and while they fixed things to a better level than on launch day, do you really think anyone would cut amd or nvidia any slack if they released something in a similar manner ? people would absolutely lose it like the mindless followers of any tech.

You do as you wish, but in my honest opinion you will have some kind of issue with it, if it had been so dam good everyone would have been saying very different things and at the start when it was released all i heard from it all was stay away from that trash.

I think your missing the point lower prices would be good for the market, why do you think Intel is having to sell them at such a low value ? It's like a clearance sale in tesco's Intel want shot of them, they even have to pay oem's like they always do to try and fob them off.

The key point that no one seems to get is Intel are not going to be the hero of the GPU market, once they have made something worth having do not expect low prices it's not how it works material costs GDP clearly says otherwise or are they selling all there other products at record low prices suddenly ? so exactly why other than having a third player in the GPU space means they should get a free ride into it.

Nvidia is having to slowly earn there own way into cpu's does that mean everyone should buy them ?

persoanlly i have issues with Intel in a few different ways and in my view they are the last company i want to dominate the GPU market, would far rather see a new company with a different idea and way of doing things than support them.

I don't see people in life buying bad anything product wise just to support them, last time i checked Intel had an income they can support themselves got nothing to do with me cause trust me they no different to any company they are only selling them cards so cheap as otherwise no one would buy them and it's there own doing.
 
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KingNosser said:
Why would you support something or any product that isn't a good one, no one buys chocolate bars they don't like just cause they might get better and while Intel have sorted out a lot of issues with drivers, that doesn't mean it wasn't universally shat on for very good reason.

Same with AMD and bulldozer.

I do not see why Intel should be given a free ticket into the GPU market and supported without earning it, they need to do what any company would, nvidia and ati were in the game early on it's why the last 20 years has gone that way for them, if Intel cared about GPU's so much they should have started back then when it was easier they were by far a big enough company to have done so.

A bad product is a bad product and while they fixed things to a better level than on launch day, do you really think anyone would cut amd or nvidia any slack if they released something in a similar manner ? people would absolutely lose it like the mindless followers of any tech.

You do as you wish, but in my honest opinion you will have some kind of issue with it, if it had been so dam good everyone would have been saying very different things and at the start when it was released all i heard from it all was stay away from that trash.

I think your missing the point lower prices would be good for the market, why do you think Intel is having to sell them at such a low value ? It's like a clearance sale in tesco's Intel want shot of them, they even have to pay oem's like they always do to try and fob them off.

The key point that no one seems to get is Intel are not going to be the hero of the GPU market, once they have made something worth having do not expect low prices it's not how it works material costs GDP clearly says otherwise or are they selling all there other products at record low prices suddenly ? so exactly why other than having a third player in the GPU space means they should get a free ride into it.

Nvidia is having to slowly earn there own way into cpu's does that mean everyone should buy them ?

persoanlly i have issues with Intel in a few different ways and in my view they are the last company i want to dominate the GPU market, would far rather see a new company with a different idea and way of doing things than support them.

I don't see people in life buying bad anything product wise just to support them, last time i checked Intel had an income they can support themselves got nothing to do with me cause trust me they no different to any company they are only selling them cards so cheap as otherwise no one would buy them and it's there own doing.
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I won't multi quote, as that is a bit 2006. What I will say to answer your points, is.

1. ARC is good. Like anything else new it started off bad. What is the difference between bad drivers for ARC, and things like AMD CPUs?

Let me give you some facts on that matter. Ryzen 1 was bloody terrible !!! it needed high end expensive RAM, it had all sorts of memory issues and the clocks were poor. However, people still bought it. And they bought it for the EXACT reasons I pointed out. They were sick of Intel selling them 4 core CPUs for increasingly expensive prices, and that bit Intel in the bum.

2. I used Piledriver for three years. There was nothing particularly wrong with it, it functioned fine and offered excellent value for money. However, I did that because I did not want to reward Intel for their continually s**tty behaviour. As I felt it did not need rewarding. Hence my comment in another thread about not rewarding d1cks for being d1cks. Like AMD are now. Oh wait hang on dude that was actually on another forum, but my point remains. Last three CPUs and boards I have bought? Intel. Because they offered far better value for money. Last two GPUs? AMD dude, FOR THE SAME REASON.

None of this is comparable to a bar of chocolate. That is something you eat, and no one eats things that taste like bum dude. Whilst you may not like Intel or favour what they are doing? no one else is doing it. No one. No one else can. And like AMD with Ryzen? this needs support. Had no one bought Ryzen? Intel would still be taking your bottom on CPU prices. Problem is that right now AMD are the new Intel.

TBH? I couldn't give a toss if people don't buy it. However, you can one million percent me to remind every mofo EVERY SINGLE TIME they complain about Nvidia prices. Because if Intel fail because no one bought ARC? then they only have themselves to blame. No one else. They bleat about needing competition, it comes, then they don't buy it because it is crap. That reeks of spoiled ass to me.
 
You still don't see that Intel isn't going to be the hero they never were.

Still if you want one go buy it and report back on your findings.

6800XT not such a terrible card now you have one, had any driver issues random crashes etc

Well the reason no one wanted it wasn't the price it's cause it didnt even open 75% of the games, still if you think they will one day if supported they will still be cheap your being really foolish in thinking so.

Intel were no different in any way when at the top none of them are that is the point, do i feel sorry for Intel not a chance or do you not remember when they paid a guy to post BS benchmarks ? or stagnate the market with the 4 core 5% each time selling 8 core chips at £1000.

Still buy one forget about it makes no difference and Intel wont be making any difference in the GPU market for the next 10+ years as they at that far behind.

The reason it'll be even harder for them now is that launch did more PR damage than they can claw back, which is why it's a fire sale on Intel GPU's add to that they are low end GPU's why would most gamers buy them when they can get a 3080 etc they are too low end.
 
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