Intel approached AMD to access Mantle

[WYP]

It looks like Intel might be looking to adopt AMD's Mantle tech, will Nvidia follow Suit?

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[vorticalbox]

Seen this a while ago it's more that they are going to just have a play in their labs.

Though if Intel decided to support mantel it could shift the industry away from directx and to an open standard and thats good for everyone.

 

[MadShadow]

Yes, everyone should use the same, open standards because it makes development and innovation easier. All of these different platforms/engines/apis just get in the way.

 

[WYP]

Seen this a while ago it's more that they are going to just have a play in their labs.

Though if Intel decided to support mantel it could shift the industry away from directx and to an open standard and thats good for everyone.

Yeah, and if Mantle comes to Linux it will be very likely for others to adopt mantle, OpenGL will no longer be the only game in town. And if Intel Adopt Mantle Nvidia will have to follow, if well over half the GPUs out there support it Nvidia can't just sit there and ignore it.

Intel may also need all the performance they can get to try and beat AMD's APUs, afterall the APUs are already better for gaming, even without mantle. With it there is no contest.

 

[son of spanner]

it would be nice if they did that but, I think amd will hold them to ransom over it you only have to look at amd cpu wise they are not even in the same ball park im sure they will try and claw something out of them

 

[cooperman]

it would be nice if they did that but, I think amd will hold them to ransom over it you only have to look at amd cpu wise they are not even in the same ball park im sure they will try and claw something out of them

I dont see why AMD will hold anything to ransom,intel cpu's have has AMD technology in them for over a decade (x86-64bit instruction set)

 

[WYP]

it would be nice if they did that but, I think amd will hold them to ransom over it you only have to look at amd cpu wise they are not even in the same ball park im sure they will try and claw something out of them

If AMD gain Intel's support for mantle, more and more devs will support it, which will lower CPU overhead for more games. AMD don't need to have Intel to pay them to make it worthwhile.

Also if Intel and Linux support forces Nvidia to use Mantle it will be an even more Major Victory.

 

[son of spanner]

will I think they will for one reason mantle works unlike some of there past ideas like the first bulldozer cpu,s im not a intel fan boy I used to have 1100t
its all about money why give something away free to people who are competing
with you just stands to reason

 

[barnsley]

will I think they will for one reason mantle works unlike some of there past ideas like the first bulldozer cpu,s im not a intel fan boy I used to have 1100t
its all about money why give something away free to people who are competing
with you just stands to reason

It brings alot of positive publicity to AMD and it doesn't benefit most intel cpus very much at the moment.

 

[son of spanner]

well only time will tel its not like they will tel us what deal they make

 

[vorticalbox]

Yeah, and if Mantle comes to Linux it will be very likely for others to adopt mantle, OpenGL will no longer be the only game in town. And if Intel Adopt Mantle Nvidia will have to follow, if well over half the GPUs out there support it Nvidia can't just sit there and ignore it.

Intel may also need all the performance they can get to try and beat AMD's APUs, afterall the APUs are already better for gaming, even without mantle. With it there is no contest.

They could be working on APU type chips. What worries me is that what ever intel decides to do could change PC gaming forever.

As you said linux and by extension steamOS could be the new gaming platform.

AMD could even push it on to android and make a direct competitor to shield.

 

[Kushiro]

it would be nice if they did that but, I think amd will hold them to ransom over it you only have to look at amd cpu wise they are not even in the same ball park im sure they will try and claw something out of them

Maybe you should actually read the article before sprouting such nonsense.

From the article: "So far AMD has not given Intel any Mantle code to test with, instead asking them to wait for the Public Mantle 1.0 Release later this year, where Intel and any other interested party will have access to open, non-beta code."

Also the main reason AMD developed Mantle in the first place, was to aid in their effort in enabling their weaker CPU's more competitive, one very good example of this was the MSI GX60, the AMD CPU absolutely crippled the 7970M (and its successors) in CPU intensive games etc. Though it was mainly to make their APU's more compelling, as AMDs integrated graphics far outpaces its CPU.

EDIT: Forgot to highlight intel.

 

[looz]

I still don't understand what good mantle brings to the table when compared to OpenGL. They took a hint of Mantle's low overhead and as such OpenGL already has similar capabilities.

 

[son of spanner]

Maybe you should actually read the article before sprouting such nonsense.

From the article: "So far AMD has not given Intel any Mantle code to test with, instead asking them to wait for the Public Mantle 1.0 Release later this year, where Intel and any other interested party will have access to open, non-beta code."

Also the main reason AMD developed Mantle in the first place, was to aid in their effort in enabling their weaker CPU's more competitive, one very good example of this was the MSI GX60, the AMD CPU absolutely crippled the 7970M (and its successors) in CPU intensive games etc. Though it was mainly to make their APU's more compelling, as AMDs integrated graphics far outpaces its CPU.

EDIT: Forgot to highlight Intel.

and ..... the point being

amd own the software right the only thing its saying is that amd will let them try it if and it a big if Intel decide to use amd,s api Intel will have to pay for it

it goes for any kind of software from api,s to os,s
don't see how that's nonsense that's just good business

 

[vorticalbox]

and ..... the point being

amd own the software right the only thing its saying is that amd will let them try it if and it a big if Intel decide to use amd,s api Intel will have to pay for it

it goes for any kind of software from api,s to os,s
don't see how that's nonsense that's just good business

no the API are open so free for everyone.

 

[barnsley]

and ..... the point being

amd own the software right the only thing its saying is that amd will let them try it if and it a big if Intel decide to use amd,s api Intel will have to pay for it

it goes for any kind of software from api,s to os,s
don't see how that's nonsense that's just good business

Its open source.

 

[Kushiro]

From the article: "So far AMD has not given Intel any Mantle code to test with, instead asking them to wait for the Public Mantle 1.0 Release later this year, where Intel and any other interested party will have access to open, non-beta code."

Here ya go, read it again.

Also I believe I covered the good business part too.

 

[WYP]

and ..... the point being

amd own the software right the only thing its saying is that amd will let them try it if and it a big if Intel decide to use amd,s api Intel will have to pay for it

it goes for any kind of software from api,s to os,s
don't see how that's nonsense that's just good business

You need to remember that AMD is championing open standards at the minute.

Examples being;

1. their hate for Gameworks without open access to source code
2. Their work on OpenCL
3. Adaptive Sync and Dockport within the Displayport standard

For mantle to suceed, AMD need to get adoption, the easiest way to do that is to make it open and free.

 

[vorticalbox]

You need to remember that AMD is championing open standards at the minute.

Examples being;

1. their hate for Gameworks without open access to source code
2. Their work on OpenCL
3. Adaptive Sync and Dockport within the Displayport standard

For mantle to suceed, AMD need to get adoption, the easiest way to do that is to make it open and free.

Linux has been doing it for years and still isn't really there though android is a great example of open source software that makes you money.

Google has built an ecosystem around it not sure how AMD are going pull the money out of this, maybe they are betting on Nvidia being stubborn and just refusing to support it.

 

[Kushiro]

To be honest, I dont think AMD is intending to directly make money from this, as before I think it is more of something to help boost their sales of processors and giving their processors the much needed ability to be able to compete with intel, even if it is just on some fronts.