WYP
News Guru
These CPUs have much higher prices than their predecessors.
Read more about Intel's leaked Raptor Lake CPU prices.
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Intel 13th Gen Raptor Lake CPU pricing leaks via Amazon UK - i9-13900K for £750
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AngryGoldfish
Old N Gold
To be expected I guess. Alder Lake is pretty close to Zen 3 (and nips at the heal of Zen 4) in terms of IPC and gaming, and the 12600K is a bit faster in multitasking than a 5800X.
Dawelio
Active member
Hopefully they will also have their thermals in check lol…
Guess it depends where you live. The 7600X here is approx £330 where the 1300k is £340
Where they get the idea that the 13900k costs £800 here though astounds me...
AngryGoldfish
Old N Gold
The 7600X will give you four years of upgrades. The 13600K will be your last CPU generation.
ImprovizoR
Active member
If you don't upgrade every year, this is irrelevant. Most people tend to hold onto their systems for 3-5 years.
AlienALX
Well-known member
Yeah just said pretty much the same thing in another thread. I think once RL comes out you can safely make your choice and be fine, as we seem to be at the "tick tick" point we were when Intel went Ivy-Devils-Haswell-Broadwell.
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
Ok? Then in 3-5 years you can get a new CPU and not a new motherboard? You're justifying the upgrade issue in your logic but in context of what's going on it remains the same. We've already seen this play out. Whether you delay it 3 or 5 years it remains the same issue and AMD will be cheaper.
On top of that, you'd have a new board for Intel and more than likely need to get DDR5.
It's only really a viable solution to go Intel if you plan on more than 5 years as more than likely by then you definitely need new everything as backwards compatibility will end.
AlienALX
Well-known member
You don't have any proof AMD won't do the same thing. They already have with Threadripper, which was an enormous and greedy kick in the nuts for those who bought their most expensive product.
I wouldn't trust AMD any further than I could throw Intel.
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
You high? AMD already said AM5 will last years... And they did it with AM4. Not sure what proof you're talking about when it's been around for years and they already commented on AM5.
AlienALX
Well-known member
They also said that the 7000 series would work with DDR4.
They did it with AM4 yes, after crumbling to the pressure. Multiple times they tried to kill off old boards and then had to relinquish. That AMD, IMO, is now gone. They made themselves clear with TR4.
They told lies about how you could not use certain CPUs on the X370 platform too, then suddenly they announce you can. This is typical Intel behaviour, a la things like when they said they had no choice but to use cheap TP on a die because it would cause micro fractures if they soldered it. Which as we know now was total BS because Der8auer soldered some himself.
They are just waiting to become Intel. First they launch Ryzen, get everybody on board and then switch from good cop to bad cop.
As time rolls by? they will start sticking to their guns. IE, "We will release 7000 CPUs compatible with DDR4" and then have not. You may well see a U turn on that too, if RL is good. Especially when all of the reviewers start pointing out how much cheaper RL will be to set up as a platform than AM5.
There are a lot of features baked into X670 that are just not necessary AT ALL and drive up the cost of entry. That coupled with how board partners are doing dumb stuff like this to out sell each other -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wRn1bkqXNA&ab_channel=ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking
And so on and so forth. Basically? AM5 just seems a great way to bolt on a whole ton of tat you don't need and charge you for it.
Look dude, I am a big AMD fan. I have been for as long as I have been on this forum which is now a bloody long time. Over 10 years in total. However, don't for one minute think they are more friendly than Intel. Or Nvidia, or any one else. They are not, and they will become progressively more nasty as time pushes on.
Whilst I love what they have done I do not like where they are going. Up their own butthole comes to mind.
ImprovizoR
Active member
AMD isn't cheaper now, and we have no evidence or way of knowing if it will be cheaper 3-5 years from now. The way that these prices are going, we can't know anything.
And the new technology that will be out in 3-5 years makes the motherboard that you buy now sort of irrelevant by then. If I'm changing the CPU to something that's 3-5 years newer, I want all the new bells and whistles that come with it.
Future-proofing and having an upgrade path that lasts years is just not something that's worth thinking about. I'm not sure that it ever was, tbh. I know people who switched from Z77 last year.
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AlienALX
Well-known member
Historically whoever is winning charges more. Whoever it is, whenever it is.
This was AMD's undoing the last time they had a clear lead. They released loads of Tbird CPUs and every one bought them. They were faster, and way cheaper than Intel.
They got every one on board, then what happened? let me show you.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/1920#:~:text=As with all FX series,at or around that number.
Look at the date. 2006. Just before Intel release the Core 2 and smashed them to bits. However, look at the price !
As with all FX series processors, the FX-60 debuts at $1031 in quantities of 1000, so you can expect street pricing to be at or around that number. The FX-57 will drop to $827 mark as it will co-exist with the FX-60.
16 years ago !!!
I don't know how many people either don't know that or have forgotten about it, but just a year later Intel destroyed them with CPUs costing like £150 if that. And cheap low end versions that you could almost double the clock speeds on.
So I repeat. AMD are not nice, and they are not your friend. They will rise prices to where they feel they belong in the market. The higher they feel they are? the higher their prices will be.
They also want to sell their chipsets. Because that is a thriving business too, hence why they tried to kill off X370 and 470 boards at one point because they wanted people to buy X570. However, at that time they were not quite yet in the position where they could pull it off. As soon as they got to the new Threadripper CPUs? and saw that Intel were two gens behind in the HEDT space? they killed off the original TR4 boards. Which was total BS. If a X370 board and X470 board could run a 3000 CPU then why could they not make X399 do the same? it was all based on similar tech. No, they wanted people to pay up for the "new" chipset. Because there is big money in that and the license fee they get for the socket itself.
That is why Intel did it. And you know what? as much as people whined they could. They could get away with it once a year. Don't think for a minute AMD won't do exactly the same.
My issue now is that like I pointed out, we are now paying for crap we DO NOT NEED. Not now, not 5 years from now. We don't need PCIE 5. We don't need DDR5. And the chances are we won't need any of that 5 years from now either.
Whilst it may help professionals and etc etc blah blah. It won't help us. At all. That space used to be completely separate from the gaming PC/home user space. Only now they have merged it all into one and we are paying for crap that professionals will get at a lower price.
Sod that.
AlienALX
Well-known member
Well that was weird !. I have a pile of old mags in the bathroom at my mother's. As I reached over and opened one this jumped out.
Bear in mind this was about 18 months after AMD's £1000 CPUs. And they were faster and clocked over 30%. The earlier Clarkdales went from 1.8ghz to 3ghz with the correct RAM.
£75.
Now at the time the Western world was in recession. And where are we now? yeah, in recession.
Bear in mind this was about 18 months after AMD's £1000 CPUs. And they were faster and clocked over 30%. The earlier Clarkdales went from 1.8ghz to 3ghz with the correct RAM.
£75.
Now at the time the Western world was in recession. And where are we now? yeah, in recession.
trawetSluaP
Member
I'm eyeing up a 13700K... The fact I can continue to use the DDR4 RAM I have is a massive pro for me.
AlienALX
Well-known member
Exactly. Time you add on another £100 for RAM you can go the next step up on Intel.
Which again, when it comes to gaming and etc? is what you want to do, always.
If you go Z690? the board will be cheap AF too. Firstly because they were never what I would consider to be expensive, and secondly because they will drop in price once Z790 comes around.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/giga...ntel-z690-ddr4-atx-motherboard-mb-5a8-gi.html
So between that board and a AMD board and the DDR5 you have another £250 to put into a CPU ffs.
