Huawei has been cut-off from US Chipmakers and the Android OS

[NeverBackDown]

Why would people smuggle guns from Mexico when you can legally buy them over counter no questions asked?


Also, I didn't pinpoint racism. It's about populism and lack of education.

You can't buy just any gun over the counter. You also need background checks to buy any gun in any state.

Buying from Mexico gives you access to a wider range of firearms, from automatic to well anything explosive. You also don't get background checks. Illegals buy them or bring them from Mexico. Gangs around the country import guns so they can't be tracked or traced to anyone. There's a hundred reasons as to why. Though as an outsider it's easy to not know those things.

I was just making sure. I disagree with populism(though not entirely it is true to an extent) and lack of education. You don't need college to know the internal problems of the US. Homelessness, Veterans with physical/mental/jobless issues(massive issue), southern border, and cutthroat politics to focused on dumb crap and the government over extending power.

 

[grec]

Amongst these claims you give away too much money, it's worth remembering China spends/gives away a lot more(Several times) on foreign aid than the US, because it's generally considered an investment(Improves long term trading when nations are able to buy from you, improves investment opportunities with better stability in those nations, improves access to natural resources and so on). Though the US spends a lot more on foreign military bases.

All real growth requires investment, sure you can make the numbers look a lot better over a 1-5 year period with cuts but eventually they will impact growth through many issues you've mentioned. Homelessness, particularly amongst veterans is also one of the largest issues of poverty here in the UK, with places like Manchester home to thousands of homeless and there's lots of research & data that links the rise of this issue directly with social welfare cuts. Here, and in the US, our nations lose far, far, far(Orders of magnitudes) more money from tax evasion of big businesses than we do from benefits, welfare, or any fraud related to them(£34bn vs £1.3bn here in the UK), including to immigrants or refugees, so I'm sure you can see why many assume the reason the nation has put a man who points to pretty inexpensive issues or scapegoats minorities while simultaneously having a long history of business failures and refuses to release their tax returns, while commiting further to essentially opening tax loop holes, is "uneducated" (Personally I think it's more a symptom of people becoming disenfranchised with establishment politics).

Obviously, the much bigger issue here is that 30 of the worlds 60 odd tax havens are under British control, our government doesn't just avoid solving the issues, they actively engage in making sure they're maintained. The EU made big strides to start closing up international tax loop holes, so crooked politicians persuaded the public that what we needed was to get away from those pesky EU laws, while claiming we'd be all good by... becoming a tax haven(Literally the main plan from Farage & co was to somehow reduce corporate taxes further to bring more companies in, despite us already having the lowest in the G7)

 

[NeverBackDown]

China is a whole different can of worms in regards to macro economics.

As for losing money to Big coporations yes everywhere has that issue. Amazon paid $0 in taxes.

Our tax system is overly complicated true. I'd love to reform it myself. Flat taxes across the board. No tax breaks. You'd actually earn more money that way. Then use that money and fix the internal issues before helping other foreign countries. That's all I want to happen. Fix the US before others. Focus on within before focusing on outside. If we can fix our issues within and goes for any country, you'll be more effective at helping outside as well

 

[Thanos]

In a perfect world we would always want to buy in house. (

In a perfect world we would all realize we are in the same house, none of this "us and them"

 

[Dicehunter]

In a perfect world we would all realize we are in the same house, none of this "us and them"

But we're not in the same house, In reality, Which apparently many have an allergy to, It is "us" and "them" and there's nothing wrong with that.

 

[grec]

The "Us and them" mentality is a side effect of viewing the world through ingroups and outgroups. That is not reality, it's a psychological effect to make you feel warm and fuzzy inside, to make you feel safe by allowing you to associate with things and people that you perceive to have more in common with yourself than others.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingroups_and_outgroups

The reality is that every nation has civilians, workers, who create the wealth, and a class of elites who manipulate the wealth and the workers, play games with wars, and persuade the general population that another general population just like theirs is there enemy when need be. In reality, most civilians from most nations share far more of day to day life in common with those from other nations, than they share with the elite of their own, and both groups share the same threats from the same type of people, exploiters.

Our only disagreements fundamentally, are who those exploiters currently are. Some might be conditioned to find this uncomfortable but the working class in America shares much more of their day to day experiences, and has many more common problems, with the workers of China, than they do with Donald Trump or the political elite. While they have far more in common with the financial elites in China than they do with most of the worlds people.

 

[Dicehunter]

No, I'm talking of not everyone being the same which the person above obviously thinks, There will always be "us and them" between different groups, Cultures, Races etc... and that is completely fine.

 

[grec]

No, I'm talking of not everyone being the same which the person above obviously thinks, There will always be "us and them" between different groups, Cultures, Races etc... and that is completely fine.

There will always be the attitude but it is not based on sound logic and that is a well studied area, it's very much an illogical phenomenon and I'm not sure you could call these weird side effects of the human mind "reality". The "Us and them" attitude is one humans do not need to live with and is often actively harmful to progress regardless of how "comfortable" it can be.

 

[Warchild]

What does this mean for my Huawei, I wonder... Happy user here

Business as usual for the next 90days. After that Huawei needs to overhaul their westerised OS so it uses their custom version of google opensource. Basically what they use now in Asia (excluding google apps which are banned anyway)

Additionally the future of google play, and google apps is still unsure. It could be handled unofficially by means of apk files. However officially, we dont know. If they allow us to download the apps, it still affects us badly given that downloads must be via google play which would be unavailable.

Right now, I only see 3rd party .apk files as an option. And these fall under the "use at your own risk" since they could easily have unorthodox configurations or spyware etc installed.

The older I get the more I realize we're all pretty much the same no matter where we live. Most people are selfish. Some happen to be a little evil too. Unfortunately, it's usually the crooks that have the motivation to get into positions of power. That allows things like the Flint water crisis or the situation in Detroit to happen.

I honestly only skim American politics now. You can't trust any headlines and half the time the news is so skewed you're not sure what to believe. It's like a bad reality TV show, but with mostly unattractive characters. 99% of it is arguing which keeps most things at a stand-still. When policies finally do get passed, the other side works to tear it all down.

You just summed up Brexit in a nutshell. Every deal put forward is rejected and torn apart by the opposition.

 

[grec]

now, I only see 3rd party .apk files as an option. And these fall under the "use at your own risk" since they could easily have unorthodox configurations or spyware etc installed.

Is that to install Gapps specifically? I think this would be by far the safest and easiest route forward if official Gapps were restricted: https://opengapps.org/

 

[Warchild]

Is that to install Gapps specifically? I think this would be by far the safest and easiest route forward if official Gapps were restricted: https://opengapps.org/

Yes I meant installing specifically. The drawback is while there are safer sites to obtain the apk from, there are so many uploaded to CNET etc, that many unaware users will be caught out with the versions they download.

its also a pita to keep updated.

 

[grec]

its also a pita to keep updated.

Their app does all the updating for you, I think this would catch on pretty quick, saves sideloading the actual Gapps files themselves, this a lot more accessible for most people than the usual method of sideloading them I think.
https://opengapps.org/app/

Requires root access but there's lots of one-click tools for that for Huaewi devices. (I've personally used this for a while because of all the bloat with official gapps)

 

[Warchild]

Their app does all the updating for you, I think this would catch on pretty quick, saves sideloading the actual Gapps files themselves, this a lot more accessible for most people than the usual method of sideloading them I think.
https://opengapps.org/app/

Requires root access but there's lots of one-click tools for that for Huaewi devices. (I've personally used this for a while because of all the bloat with official gapps)

I like that idea. Because every time you need to update an apk. You must disable the securities of adding 3rd party apps one time. Wasn't aware of this site. I mostly test signalling, ipx, grx or ip connectivity with international carriers and forerign networks. My knowledge of software is quite limited

I refuse to disable the securities indefinately. Too risky.

requiring root access though is an instant deal breaker for the average user. Its one step too far for them especially if they need to learn how to do something simple like downloading an apk file and accessing it.

 

[grec]

Yeah it will put a lot off but I remember the days when almost everyones iPhone/iPod Touch was jailbroken, if someone didn't know how to do it, they usually knew someone who did, or someone else knew someone who did, I could see a similar situation arising here in their bigger markets(Which I'd class the UK as nowadays).

Not sure how common they are elsewhere, but here in in the north you get a lot of flea markets just outside precincts where people(Knock off Nigels) will offer these grey-market services for a small fee publicly, usually next to a pile of knock off DVDs & games. Often they're licensed sellers for a given stall but rarely have many licensed goods.

 

[Warchild]

Yeah it will put a lot off but I remember the days when almost everyones iPhone/iPod Touch was jailbroken, if someone didn't know how to do it, they usually knew someone who did, or someone else knew someone who did, I could see a similar situation arising here in their bigger markets(Which I'd class the UK as nowadays).

Not sure how common they are elsewhere, but here in in the north you get a lot of flea markets just outside precincts where people(Knock off Nigels) will offer these grey-market services for a small fee publicly, usually next to a pile of knock off DVDs & games. Often they're licensed sellers for a given stall but rarely have many licensed goods.

The popularity y of rooted phones has dropped dramatically in Norway. You now pose a risk of your terminal being blacklisted in the EIR database. Basically your IMEI number gets reported as lost, stolen or highly suspicious meaning when you try to make an attach to some networks (those who run lookups to the EIR) you are purged from the request.

If you are added by mistake. It is sometimes a torrid time trying to prove your UE is not stolen.

Our network uses the EIR. I have to reply to russian operators on a daily basis that their customers roaming in Norway are blocked because AT&T USA has reported the IMEI number as stolen.

There has to be an alternative to this though without having to root the phone. You can use a root IMEI changer but could always hit a snag at some point.

 

[TheF34RChannel]

Business as usual for the next 90days. After that Huawei needs to overhaul their westerised OS so it uses their custom version of google opensource. Basically what they use now in Asia (excluding google apps which are banned anyway)

Additionally the future of google play, and google apps is still unsure. It could be handled unofficially by means of apk files. However officially, we dont know. If they allow us to download the apps, it still affects us badly given that downloads must be via google play which would be unavailable.

Right now, I only see 3rd party .apk files as an option. And these fall under the "use at your own risk" since they could easily have unorthodox configurations or spyware etc installed.




You just summed up Brexit in a nutshell. Every deal put forward is rejected and torn apart by the opposition.

So basically I'm effed? Heard nothing about Huawei bans in the Netherlands though.

 

[g0ggles1994]

My guess is that Huawei will move onto using AOSP but not use Google Integration. Then users can flash stuff like Open Gapps to get Play Store integration back in. That is as long as Huawei still have the Apache License to distribute AOSP.
It doesn't necessarily need root to work. Just a recovery mode that supports flashing .zip files. However, the main drawback would be that the devices wouldn't pass SafetyNet, so apps like Netflix, certain banking apps, and whatnot won't be able to be installed.

 

[Warchild]

So basically I'm effed? Heard nothing about Huawei bans in the Netherlands though.

No,

Honestly its blown so far out of proportion. All speculation at the moment. They will have an OS ready for sure. Its just localisation and various bundle updates that need fixing. Their Asian market uses custom open source OS because Google apps are banned in China.

Google can also bypass Trump via some legislation, if they wanted to. People should stop panicking over Huawei. The drawback is the security updates or rather the speed at which we will receive them. There may not be any Day 0 releases but you will get them.

My guess is that Huawei will move onto using AOSP but not use Google Integration. Then users can flash stuff like Open Gapps to get Play Store integration back in. That is as long as Huawei still have the Apache License to distribute AOSP.
It doesn't necessarily need root to work. Just a recovery mode that supports flashing .zip files. However, the main drawback would be that the devices wouldn't pass SafetyNet, so apps like Netflix, certain banking apps, and whatnot won't be able to be installed.

Majority of current users will not be affected for a very long time. Its new users who may feel the pinch more, if it ever even gets to that point.

 

[grec]

Yeah this is more likely just another one of Trumps games of chicken in the trading war. He literally wrote a whole book about using this negotiating tactic in business and yet still always trys to use it, despite the fact it's completely negated if the other side cottons on(That might explain his string of high profile bankruptcys after releasing that book).

 

[Thanos]

No, I'm talking of not everyone being the same which the person above obviously thinks,

If by the person above you mean me then I don't know how you came to that conclusion as personally I think everybody is different.

There will always be "us and them" between different groups, Cultures, Races etc...and that is completely fine.

Of all the countries I have visited the majority of people have been friendly and not of the "us and them" attitude regardless of race, religion, color, culture. Of course there are some people who would not be so friendly but I'd have to say they were the minority in my own experience.

FWIW I would disagree with a "them and us" attitude being fine but as I said, we are all different.