Huawei has been cut-off from US Chipmakers and the Android OS

im pretty peeved at this.

Huawei is by far the best phones we have ever had for testing in the office. It allowed us to push towards volte roaming. I even suggested to people to go for the mate 20 pro as its camera was unmatched.

Well now, all qualcomm collaboration has been pulled meaning we need to use Galaxy S10 and that in itself sets us right back. I still can't understand why people think its a good phone.

Thank god I don't pay for any of them or I would be pretty angry at this.
 
im pretty peeved at this.

Huawei is by far the best phones we have ever had for testing in the office. It allowed us to push towards volte roaming. I even suggested to people to go for the mate 20 pro as its camera was unmatched.

Well now, all qualcomm collaboration has been pulled meaning we need to use Galaxy S10 and that in itself sets us right back. I still can't understand why people think its a good phone.

Thank god I don't pay for any of them or I would be pretty angry at this.

This whole thing is idiotic - it won't prove or gain anything, other than more people Hating the US and Trump.
 
This whole thing is idiotic - it won't prove or gain anything, other than more people Hating the US and Trump.

We dont hate the US. Its not their fault. But we do hate Trump. He is the reason. He has enforced the embargo effect with US companies.

The moron doesnt even realise how bad he has affected the technology industry.
 
We dont hate the US. Its not their fault. But we do hate Trump. He is the reason. He has enforced the embargo effect with US companies.

The moron doesnt even realise how bad he has affected the technology industry.


All the usual screeching leftist trump hate aside, The technology industry will be just fine, If Huawei didn't want to put their business ties with the US in jeopardy they shouldn't have been a proxy for the Chinese government, Stupid games get you stupid prizes.
 
This can backfire on America so hard. Are they aware that their sole existence is in China's hands (by their own making)? Mild bump in trade relations caused CaseLabs to shut down. Probably many other companies as well. Prices have gone up in US. They are playing with fire.
 
All the usual screeching leftist trump hate aside, The technology industry will be just fine, If Huawei didn't want to put their business ties with the US in jeopardy they shouldn't have been a proxy for the Chinese government, Stupid games get you stupid prizes.

It won't be ok.

It has already hit the car industry hard. And look at the inside of a car. Look at the technology embedded in your average dash board. Where do you think it comes from ? yep. China.
 
It won't be ok.

It has already hit the car industry hard. And look at the inside of a car. Look at the technology embedded in your average dash board. Where do you think it comes from ? yep. China.


Relying on 1 country that has historically made the cheapest crap for decades is idiotic, Maybe this will force companies to start building in their home countries again instead of outsourcing and building chinesium based products.
 
Yeah there's 0 proof that the private, employee owned company has ever collaborated with or carried out actions for the Chinese government. In fact, the US governments reasons for assuming this is the case is likely because of how much espionage the US carries out by forcing American private companies to comply to their demands *cough*Cisco*cough*. They know how dirty the game can get and are projecting rather than using evidence.

Dice, China is the manufacturing hub of the world because Western countries wanted cheap labour (globalism is an extension of the US economies reliance on slave labour imo) and made them that. Shenzhen is the new silicon Valley and its far too late for the US to do anything about that. Huawei already design their own SoCs and software, they rely less on the US than the US would on them if the US wants strong 5G infrastructure.

This is America throwing out the concept of free market competition, because they're losing. I guess you could just call it protectionism but this is a big back pedal for the "bastion of the free world" and likely completely unconstitutional and will be revoked.
 
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Relying on 1 country that has historically made the cheapest crap for decades is idiotic, Maybe this will force companies to start building in their home countries again instead of outsourcing and building chinesium based products.

I get what you are saying. But its not one country, its actually Asia in general (think Malaysia, Taiwan, Indonesia and so on)

But what you are suggesting would never work. Norway would go bankrupt based on that concept. Our salaries completely belittle everyone else. Any company trying to create their own products on a scale like you see with mobile phones, while catering our bloated salaries would see almost 0 profit gained. The only way is to have it made in Asian countries and import back to us. My very own company is slowly employing more and more people working and living in the Baltic countries, so they can avoid paying our high wages.

UK Steel is another example. How many times has the steel works in some towns run into financial trouble? The answer is because UK salaries in the steelwork industry are too high on average. Steel from China is too competitively low so the very own British companies (employing workers on high salaries) manage to subsidise wage expense by purchasing cheap from China.

If Ford, or BMW in UK bought Steel from UK based companies. They would either go under, be forced to lay off 50% of total staff across UK or keep the staff and drop their wages which means staff would walk out.

In a perfect world we would always want to buy in house. However as workers always want more wages and shareholders want more money.. its never going to work. :(
 
I get what you are saying. But its not one country, its actually Asia in general (think Malaysia, Taiwan, Indonesia and so on)

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In a perfect world we would always want to buy in house. However as workers always want more wages and shareholders want more money.. its never going to work. :(

The issue is that China does have a habit of selling things(Steel is a very good example) at such a low price that they don't make any profit on them, while simultaneously undercutting the competition so heavily that no one else can either, until all the competition is "starved out", this is of course market manipulation and an example of why a completely unregulated free market is fundamentally problematic. Some have been claiming Huawei is another example of this, that their tech is Chinese govt. funded, and sold undervalue so that Western companies have no chance to compete, but there's no evidence of that at the moment.

The labour aspect however, is entirely as a result of Western multinational companies wanting to ignore regulations & human rights to cut costs. The UK & US had cheap labour too, until we abolished slavery & started to introduce workers rights after the industrial revolution, so the higher in society quickly realised in order to maintain their levels of consumption they'd need some new people who had no workers rights, and thus sweat shops were born, rather than investment in automation or similar to solve the problems companies invested in a new world slave trade. Now China have developed, diversified their economy and established a growing "middle class", they're cracking down and have introduced stricter climate & pollution-based regulations(Over a third of China's pollution is actually directly attributable to Western consumption & companies) than most Western countries with workers rights coming quickly, big multi-national companies are starting to look elsewhere, Latin America in particular as more of Asia gets past their industrial revolutions, the cycle continues.
 
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The issue is that China does have a habit of selling things(Steel is a very good example) at such a low price that they don't make any profit on them, while simultaneously undercutting the competition so heavily that no one else can either, until all the competition is "starved out", this is of course market manipulation and an example of why a completely unregulated free market is fundamentally problematic. Some have been claiming Huawei is another example of this, that their tech is Chinese govt. funded, and sold undervalue so that Western companies have no chance to compete, but there's no evidence of that at the moment.

The labour aspect however, is entirely as a result of Western multinational companies wanting to ignore regulations & human rights to cut costs. The UK & US had cheap labour too, until we abolished slavery & started to introduce workers rights after the industrial revolution, so the higher in society quickly realised in order to maintain their levels of consumption they'd need some new people who had no workers rights, and thus sweat shops were born, rather than investment in automation or similar to solve the problems companies invested in a new world slave trade. Now China have developed, diversified their economy and established a growing "middle class", they're cracking down and have introduced stricter climate & pollution-based regulations(Over a third of China's pollution is actually directly attributable to Western consumption & companies) than most Western countries with workers rights coming quickly, big multi-national companies are starting to look elsewhere, Latin America in particular as more of Asia gets past their industrial revolutions, the cycle continues.

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Cheap labour will eventually dry up everywhere and we will be left either without work because we have all been replaced with Computers and robots or equalise so that there is more home grown produce that is considerably more expensive to cover your wages but don't expect to get very far with those wages. All the Wheat and labour for your bread produced in the U.K? £5 a loaf please at today's costs let alone when demand is extremely high.
As someone whos job is importing stock from China and the far east I can tell you this is already happening. The dirt cheap Chinese products that we have always imported are going up in price. We used to see a single price increase every year. This year we are on our 4th increase already (some suppliers have gone for 2 price increases but extortionate amounts) with a minimum of a 2% increase each time. We have to buy as they are still cheaper than anywhere else in the world but the gap between your premium priced product and your cheap Chinese product shrinks. The premium guys see this and put there prices up simply because they don't want to be priced in the same section so the entire markets price increases and the circle continues.
On top of this Maritime changes are happening meaning that all vessels need to be retro fitted with scrubbers (millions to fit and the vessel is in dry dock for several months) or use low Sulphur fuel (30% more expensive and supply is in very high demand) so shipping costs are expected to rise by another 10-15% in next few months and climb even higher into 2020.
 
It won't be ok.

It has already hit the car industry hard. And look at the inside of a car. Look at the technology embedded in your average dash board. Where do you think it comes from ? yep. China.

Wrong. Car industry is just fine inside the US. In fact it had nothing to do with China. He even worked out a better deal for the US with Canada and Mexico. It's a win. We now get cheaper products such as steel and aluminum from our main sources of materials for our vehicles.

America has been getting bent over on trade for decades. It hurts the world and benefits us. About damn time we get more favourable trade.

Nothing against you guys but my tax money funds a lot of the world while my country struggles internally with many issues. We need to focus on within.

If that makes him a moron then fine, fact is that's because he's putting America first and any sane American is fine with that. He's saved us billions since taking office and our economy is on the rise.

As for being unconstitutional that's a ridiculous statement. The US has the right to deny business from international companies and this thing with Huawei isn't new. It's been going on since 2012. They have very little if any presence inside the US it doesn't change much. None of this deals with the Constitution in shape or form.
 
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There are a lot of rare earth minerals necessary for the design & manufacture of silicon & smartphone products that you can only get from China, this trade war can only go so far.

The hit of losing access to American silicon only really applies to their laptop pursuits, but of course nowadays AMD has already licensed x86 IP to Chinese companies and there's increasing viability for ARM alternatives.

However, this does mean the US will have reduced, late & more expensive access to 5G infrastructure compared to the rest of the world. America definitely has a right to be concerned about espionage and any possibility for backdoors, but this is not the way to go about solving those issues and the actions taken against Huawei have now gone far beyond just a ban on their use for infrastructure like the UK has been considering too, this is blockading the worlds fastest growing and second largest phone manufacturer & pioneer of 5G tech from competing in a huge variety of markets that pose no risk and are fairly unrelated.
 
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Who cares? I don't want China to have my data. The US has enough of it already

This isn't the first time this company has been accused. They deny they won't share data, except the law of China says they don't get a choice. It's a dictator run country. Not a democracy.
 
I don't think the governments decision has anything to do with individual user data, that access while theoretically possible doesn't really pose a threat to national security which is why all the worlds nations let the US and their companies do exactly that, in fact the only occasion we know of where Huawei had major access to US data is when Facebook gave them a load of it. The rhetoric and claimed targets here are all regarding industrial espionage, which is a genuine issue for the US with many of their military designs having some long lost cousins popping up for the PLA, but is an issue for servers & infrastructure. And we know the US has a history of industrial espionage of this type with Cisco hardware and such too.
 
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The US isn't exactly the ones who are innocent in all this. We need only remember the "Clipper Chip" to know that the US is willing to put spying chips into devices.

There are several ways that this could be looked at, but as far as I am conserned I trust the US as much as I trust China.

As far as data sharing with the state goes, the US can ask for data sharing. The state is still the state at the end of the day, democracy or not.

If the US doesn't want to look dangerous or stupid internationally, they need to show evidence that said espionage is occurring. Provide evidence that proves that the world's second largest smartphone maker is dodgy enough to justify this kind of action.
 
Aye having lived in the USA for nine years I can safely say that it's not the people. I only met a few I didn't like in all that time.

Trump however is a bell. I couldn't stand him before he was elected and I care even less now.

It's a shame that most of the USA are so poorly educated on politics because they're, well, poorly educated. You do see a lot of turkeys voting for Christmas out there just because they've been brainwashed and misled. That's one thing I found utterly charming about people from the USA, that they were loyal and loved their country.

That's how trump managed to con his way in. Making the poor think that all of a sudden he would kick start their decaying manufacturing plants and revive all of the destitute places out there.

It's sad but what can you do?
 
Why do you assume there's no evidence? Because the media says so? It's been going on since 2012 this battle with the US and This company in question. China is a dictatorship. They can take data without asking. Smartphone companies collect data. It doesn't take much to see the point here. We also don't need to prove anything. We have National Security and if they deem it not safe to provide details then they won't. As for not looking stupid the US doesn't care. No offense but Americans never gave a damn about how we look to others. Call us whatever you like, doesn't change anything. We put America first or at least mostly. It went down under the previous administration but Trump is changing that. And thank God for it. We have enough issues.

As for Alien, your opinion is based off the fact you despise Trump. The vast majority of the country and it's not even close disagree with you. You are calling us mostly uneducated and you don't live here and aren't seeing his results. You're just being fed information from the media.

Besides it boils down to the so called 2nd largest smartphone company in the world has virtually 0 presence in the US. This new thing changes nothing. Blowing everything out of porportion doesn't make a case.
 
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