Help needed- Been out the game a while

[Simpsonite]

Globbits.

Was about to reply, but in true murphy's law fashion, my rig just died. (this forum is a little odd to navigate on a phone it seens) As though I'd just pulled the plug out... Turned the psu off, waited a while. Turned back on, pushed power button, loud click from psu, all case fan LEDs flash, nothing. Will pull the psu and test it tomorrow. Anyone know what corsair 's warranty is like in the UK? :/

Edit: found there's a mobile version of the forums huzzah!

 

[NeverBackDown]

The 5820K is a six core 12 thread CPU that overclocks to 4.5ghz and beyond, the 6700K is a 4 core 8 thread CPU that overclocks up to 5ghz - and they cost pretty much the same.

Reading all the reviews, the 5820K is competitive against the 6700K in gaming, and kicks its arse in everything else.

If it were a pure gaming build I'd say Skylake i5 6600K all the way, but for a more general purpose build there's simply no reason to limit yourself to the 6700K when the 5820K offers so much more for the same price.

You interpreted my post wrong. However The 6700k is the better choice here. Every recent quad core from intel each give nearly the same performance. The 5820k is hardly better and not nearly the same price. Sure each CPU is about the same... but add in motherboard cost and guess what? You'll end up spending about $130 more. You are limiting yourself with a 5820k which is why I said go 6700k. 28 PCI lanes? Oh awesome a whole x8 more! Guess what? The z170 chipset also carries x20 for everything outside of GPUs. That is limiting the 5820k and not to mention offering a lot less features on the chipset side. Should also mention it consumes much less power and puts out less heat. I don't see a positive here outside of 2 more cores that won't really benefit his workload. Price doesn't justify it.

Also you can get a 6700k from Microcenter that's $70 cheaper than everywhere else selling it. Further adds to my point and would more than likely come out as close to $200 in savings.

 

[Simpsonite]

The 5820k is hardly better and not nearly the same price. Sure each CPU is about the same... but add in motherboard cost and guess what? You'll end up spending about $130 more.
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Also you can get a 6700k from Microcenter that's $70 cheaper than everywhere else selling it. Further adds to my point and would more than likely come out as close to $200 in savings.

Latest UK pricing means that X99 kit it nearly double the price of skylake... Boards are around £300, and CPUs range from £350 to over £800 for the octacore I7. Factoring in that Exchange rate to USD or CAD and thing stars getting silly. Ouch!

 

[AlienALX]

Latest UK pricing means that X99 kit it nearly double the price of skylake... Boards are around £300, and CPUs range from £350 to over £800 for the octacore I7. Factoring in that Exchange rate to USD or CAD and thing stars getting silly. Ouch!

Boards are not around £300. If you want a very high end and fully decked out board then yeah, you can spend £300 but there's no law saying you have to.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-523-GI&groupid=701&catid=5&subcat=2875

Would be more than good enough for a decent X99 rig for example and MATX boards

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-519-GI&groupid=701&catid=5&subcat=2875

Are even cheaper.

 

[Simpsonite]

For some reason I can't quote as the mobile site refreshes back to the log in screen... Indeed they aren't that much. Embarrassingly enough overclockers UK is the one place I didn't look. I know, I'm quite worried my brain let me do that. Good find by the way thankyou!

 

[NeverBackDown]

Latest UK pricing means that X99 kit it nearly double the price of skylake... Boards are around £300, and CPUs range from £350 to over £800 for the octacore I7. Factoring in that Exchange rate to USD or CAD and thing stars getting silly. Ouch!

As OP is in the States I went off what we have available to us here. X99 is much more expensive but not double of skylake here.

 

[Simpsonite]

Yeah I'm UK based, just all sorts of prices were flying around in comments, dollars etc. With the mobile site I can't see where you guys are from hence I put the USD CAD refwrence in I'm still getting used to the fact I'm getting help from folk all over the world it's ace!
It'll sink in eventually

 

[AlienALX]

The 5820k is the better choice. You can easily pick up a X99 board with a 5820k for the same price as the 6700k and board and ram.

 

[Arne Saknussemm]

You can easily pick up a X99 board with a 5820k for the same price as the 6700k and board and ram.

Really? In that case it is a no brainer...X99 ftw especially if you OC it.....

 

[Feronix]

Really? In that case it is a no brainer...X99 ftw especially if you OC it.....

Yeah Skylake is stupidly overpriced and even Haswell and Devil's Canyon are now more expensive than they were at launch :\

 

[Arne Saknussemm]

Jeepers!...been having a look and that's so true....I just had it in my mind that the mainstream setup was more bang for the buck but seems that's no longer true...

5820K 368 euros
Gigabyte SOC champion (top end board!) 264 euros

6700K 450euros or 470 euros
Maximus viii hero (not top of the line) 229 euros

:-O

 

[NeverBackDown]

Yeah Skylake is stupidly overpriced and even Haswell and Devil's Canyon are now more expensive than they were at launch :\

Hm they must be charging more for Skylake outside the US because from what I have seen Skylake and Mobo's come out to be much less expensive here

 

[Simpsonite]

They are it seems, not sure why either. Had a look at buying US stock and shipping it to UK but by the time you pay postage etc the difference is negligible. It's odd that the older stuff is more expensive than launch too! What happened to the good old days of year old tech costing a fraction of what the latest stuff goes for? :/

 

[AlienALX]

They are it seems, not sure why either. Had a look at buying US stock and shipping it to UK but by the time you pay postage etc the difference is negligible. It's odd that the older stuff is more expensive than launch too! What happened to the good old days of year old tech costing a fraction of what the latest stuff goes for? :/

The reason is simple. The old tech is far from out dated.

I'm still giving people with 2500ks the same advice. If you want a new rig take yours apart, clean it well, put the parts back in the boxes then wait for a week or so and get it all out and build it again, maybe into a new case.

Intel have not given any one a real reason to upgrade due to their poor yields in performance (usually 5%).

In fact, for 1080p gaming a I7 920 with a decent clock can still kick it with the best of them. Most are just buying a 5650 Xeon or better for around £60 and leaving it there.

 

[NeverBackDown]

The reason is simple. The old tech is far from out dated.

I'm still giving people with 2500ks the same advice. If you want a new rig take yours apart, clean it well, put the parts back in the boxes then wait for a week or so and get it all out and build it again, maybe into a new case.

Intel have not given any one a real reason to upgrade due to their poor yields in performance (usually 5%).

In fact, for 1080p gaming a I7 920 with a decent clock can still kick it with the best of them. Most are just buying a 5650 Xeon or better for around £60 and leaving it there.

A first gen I series or even Sandy for that matter will see a big upgrade in performance. Not only in raw FPS but in microstutter as well. Not only that but you get to support newer hardware instruction sets along with far superior chipset updates. For a new build I see no point in getting dated technology. Especially as motherboards are harder to come by and more often than not are used boards that were in use for years

 

[AlienALX]

A first gen I series or even Sandy for that matter will see a big upgrade in performance. Not only in raw FPS but in microstutter as well. Not only that but you get to support newer hardware instruction sets along with far superior chipset updates. For a new build I see no point in getting dated technology. Especially as motherboards are harder to come by and more often than not are used boards that were in use for years

They're all still perfectly fine for gaming. There's a thread on OCUK about the cheap hex cored Xeons you can buy for around £45. Clocked to 4.2ghz they perform around the same as a 4.7ghz 4790k in threaded apps.

Same goes for Sandy. Clock one to 4.7ghz or so (far easier on a Sandy than a Ivy or Haswell) and they are still formidable gaming CPUs. Skylake does not make a massive difference, nor does it help out with Microstutter (because being anal Microstutter is something caused by a GPU).

It's pretty much the same thing as the PCI slot argument. You would actually be amazed how many people are still rocking VERY old CPUs and can still game.

I went from a 3970x@ 4.9ghz to a 5820k@ 4.6 (pretty much unheard of on a 5820k they usually do 4.2-4.4) and the results are pretty much identical. The 5820k produces a better score in Firestrike, but not in 3Dmark 11.

The 3970x is a different flavour of the 3930k (same CPU just more cache and higher stock clocks) and that was released in 2011.

So a 4 year old CPU is every bit as good as a brand new one.

I've never met some one yet who thinks Intel's recent gains have been good and worth bothering with.

 

[NeverBackDown]

Same goes for Sandy. Clock one to 4.7ghz or so (far easier on a Sandy than a Ivy or Haswell) and they are still formidable gaming CPUs. Skylake does not make a massive difference, nor does it help out with Microstutter (because being anal Microstutter is something caused by a GPU).

It does actually. Google my friend.. it's a tab away

 

[Arne Saknussemm]

Micro stutter is not stuttering. Micro stutter is a multiple GPU problem. Stuttering can be from CPU bottle-necking GPU. Sandy bridge and onward not really going to happen (stuttering) except in a few niche cases.

So yeah OCd 2500K still rocking most if not all games. Above a certain minimum, limit is all GPU.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-intel-skylake-core-i7-6700k-review

 

[The_Mard]

Heyyo,

Yeah the UK is kicking ass right meow in CPU prices which is amazing. Sky Lake is now cheaper to purchase in the UK than in the USA lol... either that? Or Amazon UK fudged their prices by accident or don't include VAT. I dunno though.

That whole micro-stutter thing? Tbh people are all "SLI stuffers from Micro-stutter like mad!" and I have yet to see it myself on my GTX 680 Two-Way SLI rig... but I guess one of the major factors is big frametime variance and I like to play with VSYNC on with my 60Hz monitor and set it up so my minimum framerate never dips below 50fps, so she rarely flips to a lower refresh rate thus my frame time variance is quite stable... so I dunno, that's more up to the user of the PC to determine how they want to deal with big variances in minimum and average fps.

DirectX 12 definitely has the potential to reduce micro stutter though since it removes the draw call bottleneck from the CPU and that in turn frees up the CPU to perform other tasks which is good news indeed... but still, in the end it's up to the user to juggle their minimum and average fps.

Tbh I'm still confused that AMD and NVIDIA resolved the framerate loss issues from Anisotropic Filtering but particle effects which has been a part of gaming forever still has severe framerate dips... will we forever be slaves to muzzle flashes and explosion particle effects affecting our frame rates?

 

[Simpsonite]

Managed to Cobble together an old P4 on Ultimate Edition (stonkingly good Linux based OS BTW) so back online... Well, tested my MOBO and it's dead. so the overclocking my current rig is no longer an option

The reason is simple. The old tech is far from out dated.

Very good point there mate. Gone are the days of a year old set up being massively out dated, it seems that for the past few years it has been marginal gains over massive leaps forwards. My hat IS standing by ready to be eaten if necessary

For a new build I see no point in getting dated technology. Especially as motherboards are harder to come by and more often than not are used boards that were in use for years

Yeah CPU's arent the easiest to find. All the middle-of-the road chips are out of stock... not that I need an excuse to buy the top end chip you understand... not that octacore £700 jobbie though, that would be a little silly

It's pretty much the same thing as the PCI slot argument. You would actually be amazed how many people are still rocking VERY old CPUs and can still game.

Haha I still have an old DURON rig from 1999 that will play UT2004 AMD Duron @1Ghz, Ati Radeon 9200 128mb, 128Mb SD ram, 10Gb HDD. Oh and a PCI expansion slot for USB2.0

Micro stutter is not stuttering. Micro stutter is a multiple GPU problem. Stuttering can be from CPU bottle-necking GPU. Sandy bridge and onward not really going to happen (stuttering) except in a few niche cases
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-intel-skylake-core-i7-6700k-review

Yeah I found nothing but trouble when I tried Crossfire, mind you the bopard is old. Good review by the way!

Heyyo,

Yeah the UK is kicking ass right meow in CPU prices which is amazing. Sky Lake is now cheaper to purchase in the UK than in the USA lol... either that? Or Amazon UK fudged their prices by accident or don't include VAT. I dunno though.


DirectX 12 definitely has the potential to reduce micro stutter though since it removes the draw call bottleneck from the CPU and that in turn frees up the CPU to perform other tasks which is good news indeed... but still, in the end it's up to the user to juggle their minimum and average fps.

Amazon fudging prices you say? I'll have to take a look!