HD4890 VS GTX275 Discussion

[cl0ck_ed]

Just got an email from novatech

Results for the hd4890 and the gtx275 are as follows.

HD4890 GTX 275

3d06 19321 19424

3d06 gpu score 9970 11138

Read a few reviews of the hd4890 and the gtx275, and they are nick and nick, both favouring the usual nVidia vs ati games. Both appear to oc v well withe the hd4890 reaching 1000mhz core!

What's intersting to me is that both cards are priced exactly the same, which makes performance comparisons simple. As with the HD4870 and the gtx260 the nVidia card has always been about £40 more. Which has detered alot of people from getting 5the gtx260 216 or 192 version.

I have observed that some etailers are already hiking up the price of the GTX275, about £10 premium if i recall over the HD4890.

Which card to go for boils down to which games to play and if you using the fold at home programe.

What are peoples views?

Ed

P.S. Let battle commence.:ar:

 

[Rastalovich]

From what I've seen, if the 4870 and 260 cards are still being produced/sold, both of these cards are a waste of rnd time.

If they're going eol soon, fair enough.

Not sure about the amd prices, but nvidia's historically drop after a number of weeks.

If ur not upgrading tho. If they fit in ur price bracket - if u want quality, physx, get the 275 - if u want just fps, get the 4890.

Things like these releases should just appear on the shelves b4 any1 hears about them.

 

[cl0ck_ed]

Not sure about the amd prices, but nvidia's historically drop after a number of weeks.

If ur not upgrading tho. If they fit in ur price bracket - if u want quality, physx, get the 275 - if u want just fps, get the 4890.

The nVidia prices dropping is due the the cards being over priced in the first place as they are often first to market with the fastest gfx card.

e.g. the gtx280 came out at £450 if i remember, and they exploited a monopoly until ati brought out a competing card. Then the prices dropped.

The current situation with the gtx275 and the hd4890, they are both brought to market at the same time, therefore the nVidia prices will not drop like the gtx280 did.

Both companies will pay alot of attention to the competitors pricing of their cards to keep each other in the competition.

Imo, Ati will have the upper hand in the price war as their chip has a smaller die size. So i think that nVidia will always be playing catch up.

 

[Rastalovich]

Disagree with almost everything u've said there, almost to the state of correctness.

Democracy in action

 

[Sihastru]

The nVidia prices dropping is due the the cards being over priced in the first place as they are often first to market with the fastest gfx card.

e.g. the gtx280 came out at £450 if i remember, and they exploited a monopoly until ati brought out a competing card. Then the prices dropped.

Just so there are no misunderstandings... I AM AN NVIDIA OWNER/FAN. I am also an INTEL OWNER/FAN, but that's besides the point.

ATI sold the 4870X2 at a high price until nVidia GTX295 was launched. Then the price dropped (hard). Now nVidia is selling the GTX295 at a high price... which at the time of the launch was in fact lower then the price of the 4870X2. Strange to be able to sell two double sized dies on two double sized and more expensive (lots of layers) PCB's at the same price. It is also said that nVidia is in fact loosing money on the GTX295, which is why they are now hard at work redesigning the dual-PCB into one PCB (like the 4870X2 has). When a company loses money on a product, it must be love

ATI can afford lowering it's prices more then nVidia does. Their cards cost less to manufacture. In any case they are all overpriced.

ATI owners/fans forget stuff like that. nVidia owners/fans also forget fast. Or should I say, we forgive... It's what makes us fans.

Just because it seems that ATI played nice in the last couple of years doesn't mean they are trying to make you feel better. They are just trying to "fool" you into becoming their customer.

I remember the years of the Rage 128 cards and even the dual GPU Rage Fury MAXX. They were expensive as ****. They were also failures in the long run. Remember the 2900XT and the 3xxx... same story.

Both (ALL) companies are trying to make their investor and shareholders happy, not the consumer. How the song goes... shame on you to fool me once... shame on me you fooled me twice...

 

[cl0ck_ed]

Anyone else any views on these two cards?

:wavey::wavey::wavey:

 

[GavX]

ATi! I jumped boats, had a 7900GS and an 8800GTS, now its a 4670 and a 4870.

These new cards are "ok", nothing special just a 4870 as it could ahve been at launch. Mine overclocks to what the core of the 4890 is stock (I know, its not "as" fast...).

That aside, they need to start getting better cards! I want to see more PCs getting massive scores in 3DMark06! I remember going from about 5,000 on one system to 12,000 on another! You just don't get that any more

 

[cl0ck_ed]

@ Gavx

I know what you mean. I had a 6600gt, then 8800gts then hd4870.

The jump in performance these days aren't the same.

850 core!!! wow my hd4870 managed 840/1025. ans a 3d06 of 16k with a e5200 @ 4.2ghz.

So we have just about experienced the power od hd4890 by ocing our cards. Imo the hd4870 is a better deal atm as the performance isn't much worse and is £50 cheaper.

 

[daniSAUR]

I saw some benchies of both the cards last night infact. Like you said cl0ck_ed, it's neck and neck between the two!

I was going to assume the GTX 275 would be a winner (which it was, but only by a hairline) but the 4890 seemed to be a better performer. Looking at both cards, until they come down in price, you're better off buying the previous cards (260 and 4870) which are still brilliant cards for affordable prices!

 

[battle1]

in my opinion nvidia is the best forever but this time ati would beat nvidia

 

[Sihastru]

For me the 4890 is just an overclocked 4870. I know they say they modified it and somehow made it better. But this is just a GPU revision. It's not a new GPU. It brings absolutely nothing new in terms of technology. I am in fact shocked that everyone accepted it as a "new" ASIC. Rewiring a few pathways and adding a few capacitors on the board backside doesn't make it a new ASIC.

Intel CPUs have lots of revisions and they are still sold as being the same CPU. They have core fixes, they have improved configurations, they overclock better... like the Q6600 G0. Intel sells it as a Q6600 even if it's a lot better then the other revisions. The improvements are also well documented.

Comparing the two video cards in the thread title... I will have to go with the GTX275, it's just a little better. Also nVidia launched something new at the same time with the card. It is called Ambient Occlusion and it is available in the first beta driver that supports the GTX275. This, with CUDA, with PhysX adds value to an already powerful card.

I watched an interview with Sascha Marenkowic and I was shocked how evasive he was. He also has no clue about what exactly makes the R790 a "new" ASIC but desperately tries to sell the idea to us. He also positions the 4890 against the GTX260 and not the GTX275. I wonder what card is the 4870 positioned against now. It is clear they have no intension of beating the 275. When asked about the 4890X2 he says nothing of consequence.

It seems to me that their products are no longer lined up according to their original plans and it seems to me they are a little confused.

Interview is available here. It starts in german, but continues in english.

 

[Bungral]

Bloody thread doing that broken thing again... Shows up there is a new post in my new posts list but when I click it, there is no new post.

Only seems to show up once I post in it so this is me doing just that.