GTX 1070 3DMARK results leaked

[SeekaX]

Inflation, cost of manufacture, silicon fabrication prices, so much to consider.. Just noticed that the majority of GTX1080 on OCUK are now £635 and Asus FE is £649..

As with previous cards though this is more than likely just the "launch" price and they will fall slightly over the coming months.

EDIT: Lets put this into perspective. Jen-Hsun when announcing the 1080 was stood by this projection (remember? did you watch it)

So go back to the GTX780 that was a whopping £550 at launch while the GTX980 had a launch price of £450 (now £390) I think this where people are getting all up in arms about the GTX1080 costing.
But back to the launch image above, 2x GTX980s will today cost you £780ish.... so is the asking price for the GTX1080 at launch that bad?

Inflation isn't valid because the 980ti costs less now, and their manufacturing costs are really none of my concern unless the product gets considerably better from it. Whether it outperforms two 980s is sort of irrelevant as well if a 980ti can keep up (i'd probably even doubt it can outperform two 980s if the 980ti really can keep up). I think the 1080 is so expensive because the 980ti is supposed to stay a viable product for a little longer, wouldn't be the smartest thing for nvidia to undermine their current product range before having a solid replacement.

 

[Davie321]

Marketing and semantics. All these leaked results LoL fake hype designed to get opinionated kids hyped up. I am happy pascal is out. WOW its saves power woopy-doodar . What we really want is more raw power!!! Sadly we will have to wait for new Titan £$£$£$ or better again 1080Ti. Personally I'm happy to wait. I know it is difficult for some.

 

[barnsley]

Of course the 1080 is overpriced, its a x80 series card. They always charge waay too much on launch to grab the idiots who can't wait for the Ti version. It'll be £380-£400 before long. The huge price tag (which really isn't reasonable ffs, its just greedy) and fancy blower with minimal power delivery is just a sign that nVidia can do what they want because the competition is always about 6 months behind with the launch. They don't care that AMD will probably release something for less money that keeps up.


Anyway if it is really as close to the 1080 as claimed they'll gimp it in some way as to stop people getting effectively a 1080 for less. Apart from that it'll be a solid card unless they keep the prices at launch levels for too long. That said the x70 card is always a real money maker and unless AMD do great with everything, including marketing properly, nVidia can do what they want.

 

[Dicehunter]

Shall stick to my 77 backup GPU until AMD release their new stuff, Then we'll have a decent view of the market.

 

[steverebo]

I think people are being very optimistic thinking the 1080 board partners cards will drop for less than the founders card. You need to remember those magic words Nvidia used when advertising the price

"Manufacturer RECOMMENDED Retail Price"

Now being in the UK we will never truly know what the pound sterling MSRP was for the founders card but already there is a price difference between partners ASUS clearly think there's is made of gold!!!

Now thinking logically, why would a company charge LESS for MORE??? Better cooling better components better overclocking all for less than a reference card.

NAH I don't see that happening

 

[SeekaX]

I think people are being very optimistic thinking the 1080 board partners cards will drop for less than the founders card. You need to remember those magic words Nvidia used when advertising the price

"Manufacturer RECOMMENDED Retail Price"

Now being in the UK we will never truly know what the pound sterling MSRP was for the founders card but already there is a price difference between partners ASUS clearly think there's is made of gold!!!

Now thinking logically, why would a company charge LESS for MORE??? Better cooling better components better overclocking all for less than a reference card.

NAH I don't see that happening

Of course you are not going to see cards with proper cooling solutions for less than the founders edition cards, but there are always a few manufacturers who offer a cheap card with a blower cooler even AMD would be too ashamed to use.

 

[steverebo]

Is there a set date for the board partners cards release

 

[AngryGoldfish]

So that's a card made for overclocking with serious cooling, well developed drivers and most likely a cherrypicked core vs a reference card made to run at stock + a little boost on pre release drivers. The price difference between the two cards seems to not be that large either, considering that 3rd party cards are supposed to be cheaper probably even null. Considering that the card has nearly half the powerconsumption i'd say it's not doing bad and will do a good bit better in the future.

The 980 was the same deal. It only was marginally better than the 780ti at launch, but with overclocking and matured drivers, it sped ahead. Still, people went gaga for that overpriced (but awesome) card and replaced their 780ti's with it. To answer Wraith as well, the 1080 is being viewed by the masses as the 980ti and Titan X beater. It is not being viewed as the replacement for the 980, not from my perspective. The pricing and hype puts it clearly in league with a 980ti and Titan X. That's what we're dealing with, realistically. Yes, it's not the Titanium edition, but the constant hype surrounding nVidia means gushing all around. It makes me wonder do the masses—not specifically referring to people who read tech news like we do—know that when sites like TechRadar, massive sites, are saying things like "It's a lot more powerful than a Titan X", something that just isn't true—do they know it's hype? That's the point I'm trying to make. I'm pointing out how the hype for the 1080 is somewhat unfounded. It's a great 980 replacement, but it's not a 980ti or Titan X replacement. It's basically just a Titan X that draws less power. Why aren't so many reviews pointing this out? Only a few have mentioned it. Now the 970 is being touted as a Titan X beater. Instead of saying, "Look at how much you'd gain from replacing your 770 or 970 with a 1070". Instead it's "Look at how much the 1070 is better than a Titan X." The emphasis is on the Titan X. That's what they are using as a frame of reference. Now, you obviously have to use the Titan X as a frame of reference when performing official benchmarking, but using it in speculative preemptive hype is nothing more than 'hit-hogging'.

If people would stop thinking GTX980Ti when comparing the GTX1080 that would be a great start, it's the replacement for the GTX980 not the Ti. In pretty much all gaming and bench tests so far the GTX1080 only really competes with the Ti when in SLI. The only edge a single GTX1080 has over the GTX980Ti is in the VR arena.

GTX1080 = GTX980 replacement, evolution of a product range.

Pricing I was a little shocked at first but when you look at it logically, fab, clocks, memory, wattage and materials makes it all worth it.

As for the GTX1070, it's the card I'm most excited to see from the new 10 Series, and just how it stacks up to the previous 70. It's going to be NVidias top seller that's for sure.

Inflation, cost of manufacture, silicon fabrication prices, so much to consider.. Just noticed that the majority of GTX1080 on OCUK are now £635 and Asus FE is £649..

As with previous cards though this is more than likely just the "launch" price and they will fall slightly over the coming months.

EDIT: Lets put this into perspective. Jen-Hsun when announcing the 1080 was stood by this projection (remember? did you watch it)

So go back to the GTX780 that was a whopping £550 at launch while the GTX980 had a launch price of £450 (now £390) I think this where people are getting all up in arms about the GTX1080 costing.
But back to the launch image above, 2x GTX980s will today cost you £780ish.... so is the asking price for the GTX1080 at launch that bad?

This is a good point. Whilst it is still maturing, if nVidia did put billions into Pascal, they have to recoup that loss, and they know they can by using the right marketing. I guess it comes down to personal frustration on my part. Seeing nVidia release a card I'm not that eager to rush out and buy makes seeing ridiculous claims like "We were hoping for Polaris to deliver a 1080 beater, but with its performance it's just not gonna happen", sound so... ridiculous. It's this ignorance that is miring the industry.

But that said, a 1080 is not as powerful as 980 SLI. The price increase—and of course the inconvenience of having two GPU's—is not worth 980 SLI, but the claim that a 1080 is more powerful than 980 SLI is not entirely true.

 

[Warchild]

If people would stop thinking GTX980Ti when comparing the GTX1080 that would be a great start, it's the replacement for the GTX980 not the Ti. In pretty much all gaming and bench tests so far the GTX1080 only really competes with the Ti when in SLI. The only edge a single GTX1080 has over the GTX980Ti is in the VR arena.

GTX1080 = GTX980 replacement, evolution of a product range.

Pricing I was a little shocked at first but when you look at it logically, fab, clocks, memory, wattage and materials makes it all worth it.

As for the GTX1070, it's the card I'm most excited to see from the new 10 Series, and just how it stacks up to the previous 70. It's going to be NVidias top seller that's for sure.

I agree with everything you said except the last comment about the price. With the exception of a bump up for their cooler which is a good one. I do not feel the cost of the card is justifiable. Price has been announced here in Norway and it will cost us 7600Nok for the reference (i refuse to call it a founders card) There was a time when it would have equated £760 but due to our currency crash it is only £596. Good for you Brit land lubbers, bad for us living here.

regardless though, I didnt pay that much when I bought a 980Ti, waterblock and backplate...

I suppose its all personal opinion. And enthusiast who sees this as a hobby will be willing to invest heavily. People would call me stupid for spending £4000 on a mountain bike but I did. So yeah.. I think its bad pricing others will thing it is justified.

 

[SeekaX]

This is a good point. Whilst it is still maturing, if nVidia did put billions into Pascal, they have to recoup that loss, and they know they can by using the right marketing. I guess it comes down to personal frustration on my part. Seeing nVidia release a card I'm not that eager to rush out and buy makes seeing ridiculous claims like "We were hoping for Polaris to deliver a 1080 beater, but with its performance it's just not gonna happen", sound so... ridiculous. It's this ignorance that is miring the industry.

But that said, a 1080 is not as powerful as 980 SLI. The price increase—and of course the inconvenience of having two GPU's—is not worth 980 SLI, but the claim that a 1080 is more powerful than 980 SLI is not entirely true.

Do you mean Vega? Because from what i've gathered Polaris isn't supposed to be a 1080 beater. I've also yet to find a review where the 1080 was seriously pushed (kind of impossible for now with the power supply i guess) and when the 980 is in its comfort zone in the reviews i've read the 1080 quite consistently beats two of them. Got any links?

 

[AngryGoldfish]

Do you mean Vega? Because from what i've gathered Polaris isn't supposed to be a 1080 beater. I've also yet to find a review where the 1080 was seriously pushed (kind of impossible for now with the power supply i guess) and when the 980 is in its comfort zone in the reviews i've read the 1080 quite consistently beats two of them. Got any links?

I do actually mean Polaris. This is what sites 'like' TweakTown are saying. They post things like "Polaris to match 390 performance for under $300. We're sad to see it won't compete with the 1080", when they know full well that it is Vega that is the proposed 1080 competitor. It's these subtle digs that draws attention to their websites that grates me. It's the wording of it that shows a deeper bias, something they probably don't even realise even exists. It's like saying "NVidia to release GTX 960 at $250. We're sad to see it won't compete with a 390X." Of course it won't; it was never supposed to. Big websites are spoon feeding subtle lies with the pretense that their viewers are uneducated and need to be told things as inaccurate and inappropriate as "1070 beats Titan X!!!"

 

[SeekaX]

I do actually mean Polaris. This is what sites 'like' TweakTown are saying. They post things like "Polaris to match 390 performance for under $300. We're sad to see it won't compete with the 1080", when they know full well that it is Vega that is the proposed 1080 competitor. It's these subtle digs that draws attention to their websites that grates me. It's the wording of it that shows a deeper bias, something they probably don't even realise even exists. It's like saying "NVidia to release GTX 960 at $250. We're sad to see it won't compete with a 390X." Of course it won't; it was never supposed to. Big websites are spoon feeding subtle lies with the pretense that their viewers are uneducated and need to be told things as inaccurate and inappropriate as "1070 beats Titan X!!!"

To be fair it is a bit disappointing that Polaris isn't competing with the top range nvidia products because that means for the third generation in a row nvidia has free reign over the high end market for half a year. Usually companies drop the high end stuff first and then follow up with the more casual products, AMD doing it the other way around kind of indicates that they've given up on the high end market and need to move out of nvidia's way to keep up a sustainable business, pretty much what they did with their CPUs as well. "It isn't supposed to be high end.." could very well mean "We didn't manage to make it high end..".

 

[AngryGoldfish]

To be fair it is a bit disappointing that Polaris isn't competing with the top range nvidia products because that means for the third generation in a row nvidia has free reign over the high end market for half a year. Usually companies drop the high end stuff first and then follow up with the more casual products, AMD doing it the other way around kind of indicates that they've given up on the high end market and need to move out of nvidia's way to keep up a sustainable business, pretty much what they did with their CPUs as well. "It isn't supposed to be high end.." could very well mean "We didn't manage to make it high end..".

Yeah, I think that too. No one is going to be buying Fury cards now that the 1070 and 1080 cards are coming out. Very few were buying them over the 980ti anyway. That's six months of no Fury sales while we wait for Vega. They'll be relying entirely on Polaris in the lower end market. Which, in my opinion, is actually a weak point for AMD right now. The 300 series is very dated and needs a proper revamp. I want Vega first, but it makes sense for them to release a 200/300 series successor as those GPU's are almost three years old by now. Some are even older. They perform well and are priced right, but the architecture is outdated by today's standards. Also, if they released Vega now, The Fury X would have only been out for a year. That's not very long for such a complicated GPU. It also would somewhat nullify the Pro Duo.

 

[demonking]

are we talking £620 for the 1070 or the 1080? if its 1070 i can see them selling next to none lol

 

[Wraith]

are we talking £620 for the 1070 or the 1080? if its 1070 i can see them selling next to none lol

£635 for the GTX1080 fella, we don't know the price of the GTX1070 yet.

 

[demonking]

thanks dude, i sort of skimmed through the usual speculations and arguing and got a bit lost

 

[Wraith]

thanks dude, i sort of skimmed through the usual speculations and arguing and got a bit lost

Very easily done fella, my head is still spinning with numbers and stats. I don't really see any issue with what nVidia want, it's new tech which isn't cheap to manufacture. £635 end of story.

We just hope AMD release their next card at £600+ prices, we can wait for the justification posts

 

[NeverBackDown]

To be fair it is a bit disappointing that Polaris isn't competing with the top range nvidia products because that means for the third generation in a row nvidia has free reign over the high end market for half a year. Usually companies drop the high end stuff first and then follow up with the more casual products, AMD doing it the other way around kind of indicates that they've given up on the high end market and need to move out of nvidia's way to keep up a sustainable business, pretty much what they did with their CPUs as well. "It isn't supposed to be high end.." could very well mean "We didn't manage to make it high end..".

Why so anti-AMD? All yours posts about them.. yikes
They aren't "giving up" in fact they are actually addressing quite a large market, VR. Most consumers buy midrange cards, by releasing extremely competitive midrange cards and bring prices down(which they said they will) that in turn expands the TAM(total addressable market), aka more revenue. VR is a huge market and is growing rapdily. After a while that additional market they are obtaining turns into market share. Which then leads to again more revenue. So instead of attacking the "leader", they are smartly getting into a more competitive/profitable market and getting a lead there that eventually hurts the leader in much the same less profitable way of going head on with them.

Very easily done fella, my head is still spinning with numbers and stats. I don't really see any issue with what nVidia want, it's new tech which isn't cheap to manufacture. £635 end of story.

We just hope AMD release their next card at £600+ prices, we can wait for the justification posts

New tech has never been cheap. All of a sudden now it's okay to skyrocket prices? Nope not falling for it. 14nm yields are solid, prices aren't very high per wafer. They are doing it because people know they will buy it anyway. So can't really defend with "new tech". It's just Nvidia being greedy and making the smart business move. I understand why, but it's rather insulting to consumers and the fact this really tells you what will happen if AMD go under.. prices are bad now? Yeah it'll get worse.
Let's just pray Vega is a Ti destroyer. If it's how it is now? Then they won't be around much longer.

 

[Kilbane]

New tech has never been cheap. All of a sudden now it's okay to skyrocket prices? Nope not falling for it. 14nm yields are solid, prices aren't very high per wafer. They are doing it because people know they will buy it anyway. So can't really defend with "new tech". It's just Nvidia being greedy and making the smart business move. I understand why, but it's rather insulting to consumers and the fact this really tells you what will happen if AMD go under.. prices are bad now? Yeah it'll get worse.
Let's just pray Vega is a Ti destroyer. If it's how it is now? Then they won't be around much longer.

And this is the same reason that the Fury X was so expensive (and still is). Everyone justified that because of the high cost of HBM, ultimately creating a card that was not as competitive as I should have bee.

Were AMD being greedy too then?

I don't condone any company artificially hiking prices above what they should be, but it happens. I don't complain either that I cant afford a new Aston Martin because it is expensive, I couldn't afford the last one either. Yet a price hike of 10k+ isn't questioned for little gain in performance. So why is the tech sector any different.

Ultimately, slating any company for doing what they do is pointless. Let's all hope that one day that all tech is affordable with good market competition.

 

[SeekaX]

Why so anti-AMD? All yours posts about them.. yikes
They aren't "giving up" in fact they are actually addressing quite a large market, VR. Most consumers buy midrange cards, by releasing extremely competitive midrange cards and bring prices down(which they said they will) that in turn expands the TAM(total addressable market), aka more revenue. VR is a huge market and is growing rapdily. After a while that additional market they are obtaining turns into market share. Which then leads to again more revenue. So instead of attacking the "leader", they are smartly getting into a more competitive/profitable market and getting a lead there that eventually hurts the leader in much the same less profitable way of going head on with them.

Everything AMD does is flowers and sunshine, everything nvidia does is evil, lies and greed. Sure going midrange is a smart move for AMD, but they don't have much of a choice either. I am myself in the market for either a 1070 or whatever toprange product the Polaris lineup offers and considering the price surge nvidia had i am currently leaning towards AMD, so i am by no means anti-AMD, i'm merely criticizing their performance of the past few years. It's a lot easier to conquer the midrange market than the high end market, it's not like nvidia is just going to leave that to them uncontested.