Dawelio
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Yeah, now you've got me thinking :/... What if it's the motherboard?...
I've actually thought of upgrading to the MSI Z97M-G43 1155 motherboard and i7 4790K. Though those are expensive, specially the CPU.
Graphics card advice help? (urgent)
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Yeah, now you've got me thinking :/... What if it's the motherboard?...
I've actually thought of upgrading to the MSI Z97M-G43 1155 motherboard and i7 4790K. Though those are expensive, specially the CPU.
Feronix
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Please find out what it is first before spending more money!
Do you have on-board video? Can you just connect that and take the GPU out completely? But up some very old/ non-demanding games or run some benchies to put a little stress on the system and see if there's coil whine?
Dawelio
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And Feronix comes to the rescue!... like what kind of game/benchie?... has to be like really old, fat screen, 2D kinda shit lol... Like those animals you ran around with on fat screens back in the days.
My motherboard has like an DVI connection or so at the back (ASUS P8Z77-I Deluxe), not sure if the 2600K has that built in graphics though.
Btw, just an overall question... how does the Sapphire R9 290X stack up against the ASUS 970 Strix and ASUS 780 Strix?... Just out of curiousity, since the 290X and 780 costs the same lol.
Feronix
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Ehm, I tried running GTA SA and Call of Duty 2 on IGP once and it just about barely ran. Something like that should do, or otherwise a free downloadable game like Team Fortress 2?
The 2600k has Intel HD 3000 graphics on-board
I'd say the 290x and 970 are about the same performancew-wise, with the 290x being slightly faster depending on the game. In higher resolutions AMD still wins, but power-draw wise the performance of the 970 is very, very impressive.
The 780 will be slightly slower than the other two, but honestly if you only play games like Battlefield on 1080p it will be enough. If it costs the same as a 290x though, the latter is the faster card.
The 2600k has Intel HD 3000 graphics on-board
I'd say the 290x and 970 are about the same performancew-wise, with the 290x being slightly faster depending on the game. In higher resolutions AMD still wins, but power-draw wise the performance of the 970 is very, very impressive.
The 780 will be slightly slower than the other two, but honestly if you only play games like Battlefield on 1080p it will be enough. If it costs the same as a 290x though, the latter is the faster card.
barnsley
born in a.....
Cards will coil whine regardless if you're getting stupid FPS. Such as in a game where the menu has no FPS cap...
The 290x/290 cards are pretty good with not getting coil whine, especially the more upmarket ones (Sapphire's Vapor X for example). Some of the more expensive 970s have coil whine reduction stuff I believe.
The 290x/290 cards are pretty good with not getting coil whine, especially the more upmarket ones (Sapphire's Vapor X for example). Some of the more expensive 970s have coil whine reduction stuff I believe.
Dawelio
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Ehm, I tried running GTA SA and Call of Duty 2 on IGP once and it just about barely ran. Something like that should do, or otherwise a free downloadable game like Team Fortress 2?
The 2600k has Intel HD 3000 graphics on-board
I'd say the 290x and 970 are about the same performancew-wise, with the 290x being slightly faster depending on the game. In higher resolutions AMD still wins, but power-draw wise the performance of the 970 is very, very impressive.
The 780 will be slightly slower than the other two, but honestly if you only play games like Battlefield on 1080p it will be enough. If it costs the same as a 290x though, the latter is the faster card.
So the 290X still overall then?
...Okay, so will get Team Fortress 2 to test out the motherboard
...NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
So the 290X still overall then?
Okay, so will get Team Fortress 2 to test out the motherboard
I'd rather have the 290x.. and yes TF2 seems like a good idea. But you really should try to put the biggest load possible on the computer when trying to find the coil whine.. It'll help recreate the problem as if the 290x was actually being used
Dawelio
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May I ask why you'd rather have the 290x?...
I mean the thing gets H O T inside the PC lol.
Okay, so what benchmarking utility do you guys recommend me?...
And I should use it without the 290x or any other graphics card installed, correct? (Just making sure).
And sorry, but could you further explain this "It'll help recreate the problem as if the 290x was actually being used"?...
Thanks guys!
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
290x tends to be little faster. Hot? You sir have the Vapor-X. That card won't get hot.. actually is cooler than most Nvidia cards because they all ramp up to 80C. That card will stay in the 70C area.
Power draw is the only downside but tbh it's hardly a big deal. Barely costs anything... in the states at least(and for me because my house runs off of solar).
For benchmarking the system i would try 3dmark Cloudgate. And for the CPU try the Cinebench R15(whatever the latest version is).
Don't see whats confusing? Loading up the system as much as you can to try and replicate what it would have been like with a 290x. You're trying to get the coil whine to happen so you load the system up. With your 6950/290x coil whine happens regardless. So by taking them out and using the iGPU you can see if the PSU/Motherboard are producing any coil whine. Just trying to narrow results.
Power draw is the only downside but tbh it's hardly a big deal. Barely costs anything... in the states at least(and for me because my house runs off of solar).
For benchmarking the system i would try 3dmark Cloudgate. And for the CPU try the Cinebench R15(whatever the latest version is).
Don't see whats confusing? Loading up the system as much as you can to try and replicate what it would have been like with a 290x. You're trying to get the coil whine to happen so you load the system up. With your 6950/290x coil whine happens regardless. So by taking them out and using the iGPU you can see if the PSU/Motherboard are producing any coil whine. Just trying to narrow results.
Dawelio
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Haha
... Yet when I have a few youtube videos up in Chrome, the logo can go yellow lol... Thinking of moving the bottom HDD cage all togheter, for complete airflow from the front intake AF120's Quiet to the 290x, in the Fractal Design Arc Mini R2. What do you think?... and should I get high performance AF or the Quiet one ? (only have one quiet in there atm and one silverstone air penetrator, although the back af moves a shit tone of air, hence why changing to those). As I have the Corsair Commander Mini to controll them?, so would performance edition be better in terms of the RPM range?...Haha yeah, that is true... but hence why I got the HX750i, for the best possible efficiency
... what makes you say it's hardly a big deal? So both of them then, running att different times (not at the times) or at the same time and without any GPU installed. Using the back DVI on the motherboard yes?...
Ahh yes, actually got it right after I had posted the reply... couldn't be arsed to edit it and thought why not keep it as then could get an even better explanation from you
Sorry for making you type some extra
That Vapor X cooler is one of the best around. As well as a top performer its also top on looks for me
My money is on the motherboard whining. My Z77 V-Pro has it terrible. I use it as a placeholder motherboard when Im upgrading or changing something.
Feronix
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This only means that the GPU is cooled well. Due to the nature of the aftermarket cooler, all the heat that gets disappated from the GPU gets dumped into the case. Which is not a great thing when you have a tiny closed off ITX system. I would not be comfortable putting a 290x in my Phenom.
For Chrazey with his case that has lots of mesh it'll be fine though, as long as there is proper airflow.
barnsley
born in a.....
Then again if you're using a non blower type cooler in quite a few ITX cases you'll have crap temperatures regardless.
Or even if you are using a blower type... :mellow:
Dawelio
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Should I then have the rear fan as exhaust or intake?...
And should I use an AF fan or SP one?... Since the front filter on the case isn't the best on the case.
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NeverBackDown
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Doesn't make a big difference if you have proper cooling
Doomslayer
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IMO don't use a SP fan as a case fan you should use the AF fan as the case fan and have it set up as a exhaust.
Dawelio
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The back as exhaust, why if I may ask?...
Well I already have an AF as intake at the back and in the front, although the back moves so much air while the front doesn't. And I think it's because of the front case filter, it's not the best and certainly not as thin as the Silverstone fan filter I have at the back, so imagining the front AF is having some challenges compared to the rear one.
Not sure what to do on that one :/...
And I've started thinking if I jumped too soon on the 290X (didn't really have a choice since it was the 3rd graphics card, as the first 2 970's had coil whine and you need to get 3 replacements before you're eligible to a redund), as it came out in late 2013 and now the new 300 series hits the market soon (according to some sources).
What do you guys think regarding that?...
Feronix
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Build an ITX system, then say that again :lol:
Depends, if you still have the H100i as an exhaust it is better to have the rear fan as an intake to keep dust out of your case. However, for an airflow path it's probably better to set it as an exhaust, especially with a 290x in there. That does mean you'll have to open up the system and spray it with compressed air a bit more often.
Regarding buying the 290x: I don't think you made a mistake. New hardware is around the corner constantly and the 290x is already more than you need for your 1080p gaming in all honesty. Why would you want an even faster card, which will likely also be more expensive cause it's new?
Dawelio
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Hehe true that on the ITX
... ITX gets fuck hot, fuck fast lol 
Even by trying to put the dual 80mm fans at the back of the 250D, barely helped. They pumped as much air put as they could and it felt like the sun was coming out of them lol.
So what then?, exhaust or intake?... and yes have the H100i in push as exhaust.
Ehh, that isn't too much of an hazzle to be honest hehe
That is true dude, well Feronix came to the rescue once again lol
...You make me see in a different way than I did before, as I'm sometimes overthinking or questioning something, ie the purchase of my 290x
Thanks dude, you're golden!
Btw, still waiting for your reply on the PM with the long subject name with "970" in it
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