Clock speeds and pricing have been leaked for AMD's entire Ryzen lineup

[AngryGoldfish]

I think you overestimate there prowess. Intel are no longer the amazing fab gods like they used to be. With yet another setback to there fabrication nodes, not only did they lose there previous 14-18 month lead (compared to 24months previously) they are now barely ahead of anyone else. Samsung is rapidly catching up. Sure Intel may have a lead at every node size, but as we get closer and closer to smaller shrinks they have less room to outpace anyone else, and architecture efficiencies will be more than enough to out perform Intel at every same node size now. A few weeks back before the Cannon Lake delayed announcement (namely it's 10nm die shrink) Everyone considered Intel kings. Not anymore, for good reason. Partly why there stock dipped (along with other news)

A company doesn't just disappear over the space of a few weeks or months as big as Intel with as many toes in as many ponds. I see no reason why they can't recover just as AMD have recovered. All I said was Coffee Lake "could be a beast" and there will likely be a shakeup at Intel. I didn't say they were still the "fab gods".

 

[Doomslayer]

A company doesn't just disappear over the space of a few weeks or months as big as Intel with as many toes in as many ponds. I see no reason why they can't recover just as AMD have recovered. All I said was Coffee Lake "could be a beast" and there will likely be a shakeup at Intel. I didn't say they were still the "fab gods".

I have never heard of that saying before, Hmmm must be an Irish thing.

But TBH look at how many years it has taken AMD to even get to the point where they're now taken a long bloody time maybe in some people's opinion to long.

But IMO AMD has no one to blame but themselves.

I still can't see market share flip flopping over night if AMD does get back in front to me seems unlikely but i'm normally wrong when it comes to things like this.

Tho if it does happen it could take 3-6 months for it to happen if it does i can't see Intel being in the shadows for too long maybe no longer than a year at most.

 

[AngryGoldfish]

I have never heard of that saying before, Hmmm must be an Irish thing.

But TBH look at how many years it has taken AMD to even get to the point where they're now taken a long bloody time maybe in some people's opinion to long.

But IMO AMD has no one to blame but themselves.

I still can't see market share flip flopping over night if AMD does get back in front to me seems unlikely but i'm normally wrong when it comes to things like this.

Tho if it does happen it could take 3-6 months for it to happen if it does i can't see Intel being in the shadows for too long maybe no longer than a year at most.

I'm actually British, but I have lived in Ireland most of my life. I don't remember where I first heard the phrase. Maybe I made it up. :mellow:

Intel had a one billion Euro fine to pay AMD for anti-competitive practises back in 2009. So I would say AMD could blame Intel as well as themselves. AMD may have paid too much for ATI, but it wasn't just their own decisions that caused them to suffer economically. Intel essentially bribed system builders to not use AMD CPU's. Whether AMD's CPU's were better or not, that's not cool.

 

[Doomslayer]

I'm actually British, but I have lived in Ireland most of my life. I don't remember where I first heard the phrase. Maybe I made it up. :mellow:

Intel had a one billion Euro fine to pay AMD for anti-competitive practises back in 2009. So I would say AMD could blame Intel as well as themselves. AMD may have paid too much for ATI, but it wasn't just their own decisions that caused them to suffer economically. Intel essentially bribed system builders to not use AMD CPU's. Whether AMD's CPU's were better or not, that's not cool.

Oh well i just went bye the location my bad.

That's probably all true but it's all fair in business i guess that's way one to look at it.

But this is what i remember back in those days, Yes AMD was spanking Intel's a** even more so when Intel came out with the Pentium 4 which was utter crap so Intel with their release of the CPU that came after the Pentium 4 can't remember the name of it but that CPU was based off the Pentium 3 and the rest was history market share pretty much change.

 

[NeverBackDown]

A company doesn't just disappear over the space of a few weeks or months as big as Intel with as many toes in as many ponds. I see no reason why they can't recover just as AMD have recovered. All I said was Coffee Lake "could be a beast" and there will likely be a shakeup at Intel. I didn't say they were still the "fab gods".

No they don't. But I didn't say they would disappear either. I'm just stating that from what your post said, you believe Intel is just the best Fab guys out there. While currently that's true, you shouldn't be feeling to good about them. They aren't what they used to be is what I'm saying as well as what they are capable of. Sure let coffee lake be beast with 6 cores for mainstream, then remember AMD is already doing that and will have another CPU out and another on the way before Intel gets to coffee lake.

Also, I never did say you thought they were fab gods

 

[AngryGoldfish]

No they don't. But I didn't say they would disappear either. I'm just stating that from what your post said, you believe Intel is just the best Fab guys out there. While currently that's true, you shouldn't be feeling to good about them. They aren't what they used to be is what I'm saying as well as what they are capable of. Sure let coffee lake be beast with 6 cores for mainstream, then remember AMD is already doing that and will have another CPU out and another on the way before Intel gets to coffee lake.

Also, I never did say you thought they were fab gods

Fair enough.

But until I see Ryzen match a 6700K in gaming, I'm still cautiously optimistic on whether those cores will be of real use to anyone other than those who rely on CPU horsepower. I don't render videos, compress large files, edit heavily layered music tracks. I don't even steam. The only reason I would want a 6c/12t over a 4/4 is because, on paper, it's a far superior technology and should have been here by now. That doesn't mean it's going to be the best for gaming, which is what I personally care about. I game and I perform basic multitasking such as listening to music while browsing the web. Any old 4 core can do that. I want a Ryzen because of Intel's laziness and apathy. I want a Ryzen because AMD deserve to succeed. I want a Ryzen because it will likely be the best value for money and last a long time. However, it may not be the gaming CPU to buy.

 

[Greenback]

Fair enough.

But until I see Ryzen match a 6700K in gaming, I'm still cautiously optimistic on whether those cores will be of real use to anyone other than those who rely on CPU horsepower. I don't render videos, compress large files, edit heavily layered music tracks. I don't even steam. The only reason I would want a 6c/12t over a 4/4 is because, on paper, it's a far superior technology and should have been here by now. That doesn't mean it's going to be the best for gaming, which is what I personally care about. I game and I perform basic multitasking such as listening to music while browsing the web. Any old 4 core can do that. I want a Ryzen because of Intel's laziness and apathy. I want a Ryzen because AMD deserve to succeed. I want a Ryzen because it will likely be the best value for money and last a long time. However, it may not be the gaming CPU to buy.

Got to wonder if Tom already knows he answer to that question and NDA stops him answering

 

[NeverBackDown]

Got to wonder if Tom already knows he answer to that question and NDA stops him answering

I'd wager this week all reviewers are getting stock of boards and CPUs. Lots and lots of testing... I feel bad for those guys. 17skus and so many boards. Going to be a loooooooooong test cycle.

 

[Excalabur50]

I'll bet poor Tom will be working his clacker off