Champions League Final - Man Utd vs Chelsea

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Two awesome games, grats Chelsea and Man U, I think both teams deserve it

Glad fluky Liverpool haven't got to the final again tbh

Roll on the 21st - at least Europe will have an English team Champion

On another note, No.1 in Europe club sides, not even in the European Cup! :mad:
 
Cracking match that, Chelsea got lucky though.

I bet Riessa is feeling guilty since if he didnt score that own goal the last game Liverpool would have won.
 
Yes Liverpool are fluky (I am an Arsenal fan) but i still dislike Man u with a passion. They just seem so
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y and urgh! Im backing chelsea in the final and Premiership (unless arsenal can make it?? :p)
 
Meh I didn`t see this thread was already here.

U don`t win things on a fluke, any more than the Mancs and Chelski are at the top of the Premiership, they`re there out of merit. Luck ? U make it and u ride it.

Chelski win cos Liverpool didn`t get a Hyypia penalty ? nah u can`t think like that, Liverpool had 2.5 games to beat them and weren`t quite good enough. I`m glad for Avram Grant, he could maybe turn Chelski back into a team of players with respect ala the days of Gullit.

Riise`s done his fair share at the Pool, it`s a team effort, and we were very unflukey not to win tonite lol. Still haven`t figured out Rafa, but credit where it`s due, 2 finals in so many years - as I said to my nephew, u can`t get too upset, we`ve been there, and been there recently, now it`s some1 else`s turn.

Pains me to say it, but currently I`d prefer the Mancs to win the final, even the double. Dunno about postponing my holiday now tho :p
 
Chelsea deffo deserved to win, Liverpool haven't deserved it at all I'm afraid

Man U have played some stunning football this year and they also deserve to be at the top.

I'm a neutral in all this (being a Saints fan :eek:), but Arsenal aside (not consistent enough), the two teams in the final and top of the league are a credit to the Premier League

Must just say: all credit to Frankie Lampard, bet his family are very proud
 
lol how can a game be 4:3 with minutes still in it and one or the other side not deserve it, away from home, that`s just silly.

That`s similar to Chelski winning the Premiership and not deserving it.

C`mon Kemp, what is it the scousers done to the saints ? (j/k)
 
I do strongly dislike chelsea. Of the big 4 teams they are the worst to watch, win unspectacularly, they only beat boro 1 nil at home and I really hope they pay for that kind of poor football this season by missing out on the title. They have so many terrible players on thier books, Balletti, Pizarro, Malouda who is one of the worst excuses for a profesional footballer I've ever seen. They are led by one of the most horrible thuggish players in football in Terry. The team is practically carried by Essien and Drogba, when he stays on his feet.

Aside from that, they played just about better than Liverpool over the two legs. I hope United turn them over in the final. As far as Liverpool go, I had a dream last night someone was robbing my room while I was in bed. Opened the back of the paper when I got to uni this morning, and there he was, Jamie Carragher :p

Quick mention for Barca who were a total joke the other night, they have a dreadful defence and some kind of allergy against putting the ball in the box, they love to go forward just never want to get on the scoresheet. Which is puzzling.

I imagine the final will see United keeping to thier usual attack style, Chelsea opting for thier successful bore tactics and snatching a goal before half time. United come out in the second half and crush them with 3 goals without reply. You heard it here first :)

But I'm not too bothered about Europe, roll on the FA cup final :D

EDIT: Above all I really do hate John Terry. It is an issult to this fair country that we have common thugs like him representing us at any kind of sport.
 
name='ali_james' said:
Opened the back of the paper when I got to uni this morning, and there he was, Jamie Carragher :p
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After ur hub-caps m8 ;)

Barcelona is a strange one, they "dominated" ManU both home and away, gave them a penalty (which they missed) and if it wasn`t for a long range chancer from Scholes (who the commentator laughingly said is one of the best strikers of the ball in the english game, putting his 2nd of the season away lol) - they could well have had a penalty shoot out. Crappy defense, but not troubled by the Mancs, just wanted to walk a goal in the net - where have I seen that b4...

Chelski - 1 own goal, 1 goal offside, 1 penalty not given - u could kinda call that flukey.

I call it football.
 
Liverpool are always flukey in the Champions League recently. They just don't have the players to beat the top boys but seem to fluke it every time.

The "penalty" that wasn't given to Sammy Hypia just wasn't a pen, he did a typical defender realising he had a chance of a penalty too late and did a convincing dive. Sometimes you see them given but when they are they're a travesty
 
name='Kempez' said:
Liverpool are always flukey in the Champions League recently. They just don't have the players to beat the top boys but seem to fluke it every time.

The "penalty" that wasn't given to Sammy Hypia just wasn't a pen, he did a typical defender realising he had a chance of a penalty too late and did a convincing dive. Sometimes you see them given but when they are they're a travesty
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hehe ya.

Not a Crouch thing or anything ?
 
First leg, Riise reclaiming the Liverpool tradition of scoring in the last attack of the match, magic. All credit to them though, they didn't fluke it 5 times.

In the great tradition of my tag, come on you reds, or does that also apply to Chelski in Moscow?
 
liverpool fan, before i start :p

the penalty that we should have got was no less of a pen than the one hyppia gave away, at least hyppia was moving into the box, and still had control of the ball. the fact that the ref bottled the decision shows he thought so too, just didnt have the balls.

not sure how we can be flukey, having won it 5 times, and still being very close to going through the final, even with riise scoring that own goal last week, cant have any arguments with any of our goals in this years competition. if anyone is flukey it is chelsea, for going through because of an own goal in the 95th min hehe.

dont get me wrong, i think chelsea played quite well, but it could have gone to anyone in the end, i dont think any team deserved it more than the other. at the end of the day, the game was decided on penalties.

as for chelsea as a team, they honestly make me sick. i hate what they have done to english football, drogba especially. celebrating in front of our bench was beyond banter, it just goes to show that chelsea are bad losers, and worse winners. the way they approach football, showing no respect for any other players or the officials is not the way it should be done, and i thoroughly agree with Rast when he hopes that Grant can return them to a team that respects the game.

also agree with ali, expressing distaste for john terry. anybody who calls what he does enthusiasm and spirit has rose coloured specs on im afraid.

ill be rooting for man u in the final, because as much as i hate both teams, i can respect that man u are currently playing excellent football, and although they have players who lack respect, all teams do, and they are nowhere near in the same league as chelsea for disgrace.
 
name='Dav0s' said:
as for chelsea as a team, they honestly make me sick. i hate what they have done to english football, drogba especially. celebrating in front of our bench was beyond banter, it just goes to show that chelsea are bad losers, and worse winners. the way they approach football, showing no respect for any other players or the officials is not the way it should be done, and i thoroughly agree with Rast when he hopes that Grant can return them to a team that respects the game.
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Have to mirror that quite a bit. I used to have a `thing` for Chelsea, they used to play very classy, with an excellent spirit, entertainment, and they did win a thing or two domestic. Ever since they came up from the old div2 up until about the end of Ranierie??

I don`t really want to say anything about Lampard, but it`s always stuck in my mind watching Sky and them beating or drawing a game with Arsenal - the camera is right up close to Wenger to see his reaction and Lampard goes out his way to spit across him - and u saw it in Wenger`s face when he saw it too. - that`s just it for me - that shows me all your character and respect for other people.

Then u got Drogba that defines tripping over grass and being polaxed by some1`s shorts touching him, and his moans and his acting up on the pitch - it`s just embarassing to watch over the years. Is a shame too cos he`s got a heck of alot of talent, that could probably be better if he just got-on-with-it sometimes. *sigh* the times he`s been on the floor til they stopped the game, got a sponge, then running around like the ice-cream man just came round the block. It`s a joke.

Terry ? Haven`t actually got anything against him or anything - I do actually think he`s promoted above his abilities by either his management team or something. He`s got alot of talent and a good defender, but by no means an england captain - have no idea what was going on there.

Joe-Cole, arggh. nvm.

The rest of them, really, are a great bunch of players. Pretty miffed about the Ballack->Chelsea mind u. I knew they got him in "cos they could", and knew his first season atleast was going to be pretty sparce - as it is when a manager didn`t really want u - woulda been sparce still if the not-so-special one was still there. Now he`s getting games and showing his talents.

(German national team fan btw, after Wales ofc :p)
 
yeah ballack is probably the best player at chelsea, besides cech, god knows how that man still stands up lol
 
I agree with the whole Chelsea buying their way in to football, but all pro's are just as bad as one another when it comes to diving etc. Drogba's celebration made me laugh, bit of advice don't wind up the oppositions top striker!

All UK teams have FAR more than their fair share of foreigners: I haven't exactly seen many of the top clubs filling up their first teams with youth players in all honesty: that's the disgrace of the English game, especially when there are thousands of very talented youngsters out there playing the game.

John Terry is a class act of a defender. Having played at a high level as a centre back I can appreciate a good defender, only Rio Ferdinand matches him from UK players.

I couldn't care less who wins the final, although Man U have been playing better football this season whereas Chelsea tend to do a lot of grinding out results

I have no compunction to like or dislike any team in the top flight (Pompey aside), and certainly have no bias towards one team or the other.
 
name='Kempez' said:
All UK teams have FAR more than their fair share of foreigners: I haven't exactly seen many of the top clubs filling up their first teams with youth players in all honesty: that's the disgrace of the English game, especially when there are thousands of very talented youngsters out there playing the game.
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Only when the english players are better than their foreign counterparts will they get picked to play for their clubs. England has always hyped up it's players, at best the national is 2nd rate and has been for many years.
 
name='outrunner' said:
Only when the english players are better than their foreign counterparts will they get picked to play for their clubs. England has always hyped up it's players, at best the national is 2nd rate and has been for many years.
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No this simply isn't true. Excellent English youth talent gets passed over and not picked simply because we don't nurture talent in this country. I'm talking about at every level from grass roots upwards. I've seen youth players who (pure talent-wise) are far superior even to some of the young 'talents' we occasionally get through into the top flight teams and they get dropped in preference for a hard-tackling midfielder or a big strong striker or simply get left in the reserves because the club buys old players who've been around for donkeys years and are known at that level. It takes balls to say that we'll nurture the talent and all our clubs are interested in is results and performance in the here and now, not looking towards the future and giving the youngsters a chance to come through

The national side is still a good side but never gels together like you would expect players of that calibre to. When we get to the major tournaments we get to Quarter and Semi finals which so I don't think we fall into 'second rate'. I do think we had a 'second rate' manager and the pre-madonna players didn't like him and didn't produce the goods

One thing I hate nowadays is that (Beckham aside, credit where it's due), playing for England isn't a privilege and players just don't care about it. Now THAT disgusts me - no passion or pride in playing for your country. In the last qualifiers we played like Saints have been doing all season - look where Saints are right now! :mad:

If we did what country's like the The Netherlands do and nurture the talent and coach it through to the top level then English players would play for English clubs and the national side would start improving. Of course: the price of bacon would start going up.
 
I don`t think the wage imbalance helps much mind.

Pundits have mentioned b4, and they`re quite right, with teams.. let`s say Cardiff City got promoted to the premiership - apart from making more money by getting religated again, then promoted again - the idea to stick in the premiership is that ur gonna need more or higher quality players. Problem they have is if they want a quality UK player, let`s say it costs em £15m (quite feasible, they like getting into debt) - for the same money they can buy atleast 2 players abroad. Or similar still, not worry about buying players, go for abroad-out-of-contract players who u can pay wages for to get a toe-in the premiership.

The english national side is alot of politics, run by people (who may have the best intentions but - ) of which it`s "who u know".

I mean my biggest beef with the english selectors or "board" was that Ray Wilkins didn`t get anywhere close to being an england coach - now imo, there`s a man who knows the english game and the european game. One of the class chelsea-men if I`m honest. But his face don`t fit, his personality doesn`t fit - I mean u couldn`t "tell" him (by media pressure or board pressure) who would have to play. All this erricson and whoever with £4+m contracts is a load of `news`-paper satisfaction. The current coach I don`t think will do all that well tbh.

Similarly, if u wanted to play for england, u need to play for the right team. Point in fact is Matt LeTissier - one of the best footballers of his time. Sure he had a fault or 2, but u just couldn`t argue with what he did on the pitch week-in week-out.. not good enough. Now if he`d signed for Liverpool, like I wished he had only he was a homer and fair play to him, he would have been selected easy. Instead he got 1 game every now and again. Liverpool were being dismantled by Souness at the time, but that`s another story.

I agree about the player`s national pride, but then I don`t think that`s just an england thing in so many respects. It`s not instilled in all players in all nations, but it`s getting there imo. Giggs was the biggest disgrace in that respect if u ask me.

Then again, respect is mirrored in so many ways. Like I can`t abide how at england home games, in rugby too tbh, they whistle the anthems of who-ever their playing against. And if it`s some1 with a bit of history with the national team they boo also.

Referees are awfull too, not 1 of them has a backbone. "oh well I can`t book every1 who opens their mouth" - well u freakin should, I don`t care what team it is, or how much money they get paid. Send off a good handfull of players 1 week and u watch the change in attitude. They know the rules. Don`t just let them get away with it like a wuss. And the kids copy it too, I`ve played I don`t know how much sport, and from what I can remember, even effing at ur own team mate had u penalized. U go running off to my linesman - I`d book u. Open ur mouth again in a disrespectful fashion - I book u again, bye bye.... are we learning yet ?

It all adds up in the society to me.
 
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