CAD - WIN/MAC/LINUX - Performance VS Miths

denis6902

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hello all,

Right, that's a big discussion but i will make my best to keep it the shortest!

Firstly i would like to say that i am willing to hear from everyone who works with cad, solid works, sketch-up, rendering and related.

My sister is studying architecture and she has been asking me what do i think in regards of buying a mac. I tried suggesting everything else, even setting her a killer WC desktop for the budget she would spend in a Mac. However, she says it has to be a notebook, so she can be mobile with her projects, fair enough.

The point is, atm she has a notebook (dell) which is almost the same hardware setup then a macbook pro, very feel hardware are different. Therefore i told her that atm it would be rather silly to sell her laptop for ~420GBP/ 690USD when a very very similar macbookpro cost around 1000GBP. She doesn't understand much about pcs, but i think she is quite fascinated from a friend´s mac, mostly for the video/image editing softwares.

...Now its time to discuss!

From what i know about, she wouldn't benefit much from buying a mac, when what she really needs its a laptop which is able to process faster for the application she will need the most, like the ones mentioned on the beginning. Therefore i believe she could rather save up a little and actually focus on something else then a mac.

Again, i think that she should focus on a laptop that could have an i7 processor alongside a nvidia gtx260 1gb graphic processor, or perhaps on another quad-core that has a Nvidia Quadro gpu, and not a macbook, because her laptop has the same nvidia 9400M gpu, so i dont think it would be a smart move to go for a mac. What do you guys think?

Another very important point is a SSD. Regardless gpu power capability, a good 120/128 SSD will definitely impact on any graphical application, and i say that because i do use Sketch-up a lot, and i had the opportunity of using it on the same setup but with a SSD, and the difference was incredibly huge, it was much faster!

In regards to OS, i am sure Linux is the best, i use linux a lot and its not just for the fact that it is a Open-source, but the computer seems to perform way better then on windows. I have never had a mac pc, i have once made a so called "hackintosh" and i indeed liked the OS as much as the apps and features, but thats different from having a real mac.

Well...i hope you can follow my thoughts and hopefully help me out with this dilemma, so we can all come to a conclusion or at least clarify this thoughts better!

Thanks for time, :hands:
 
Hi Denis,

only advice I can offer is from my own experience with autocad. I use autocad2009 daily but only on single line applications. Opening 8mb construction drawings brings my laptop to it's knees but once the programme is running it works fine. I've got a HP Compaq 8510

if she's studying architecture, what programme does the uni reccommend? Using too many packages could cloud the issue.

I also think you've answered / convinced yourself over many points re specifications. Now the fun part - price it up!
 
I think buying a Pro would be silly. There are now i7 laptops around (not many) and are no doubt going to spread like wildfire. If the Uni recommends a program that runs well on macs then by all mean pay out for one, but if not, get a pc laptop. The configurations are endless and they are so much cheaper. She could even buy a nice big screen to run from her laptop when she is at home to make things a bit easier!
 
I use AutoCad a lot for work (using 07 atm) and as far as I know it won't install on a Mac or Linux OS so their out of the question. It's the same for Solidworks too, Micro$haft products only.

So you can tell yer sis that Macs are crap :D
 
Depends on what CAD you are doing and what tools you are using.

AutoCAD seems to be windows only (I used to use it at work)

AutoCAD is seen as a pretty basic noob tool tho when you speak to people who do more 3D CAD work which is why a lot use macs (also osx does seem more responsive for graphical work depending on the app you are using)
 
name='lasher' said:
Hi Denis,

only advice I can offer is from my own experience with autocad. I use autocad2009 daily but only on single line applications. Opening 8mb construction drawings brings my laptop to it's knees but once the programme is running it works fine. I've got a HP Compaq 8510

if she's studying architecture, what programme does the uni reccommend? Using too many packages could cloud the issue.

I also think you've answered / convinced yourself over many points re specifications. Now the fun part - price it up!

She uses cad the most. And her laptop is almost the same hardware config then the macbook pro she wants. the only real difference is the OS and that her processor is a Core 2 Duo T5870 @ 2.00GHz and the mac would be a 2.53ghz. And for me it isnt a sane move to sell her laptop for 400 quid when the mac is almost the same and it costs 1000+ not including the AUDIO/VIDEO editing softwares!

I recently installed WIN7 ultimate for her, as vista seemed to be struggling a lot and also autocad 2010! x64 btw. I tried explaining to her if she is after performance, she should avoid newer OS´s and stick with the old and good XP, which would help a LOT! But u know how the new coca-cola generation is: "It´s to ugly and i dont like it!" Can u believe? :wavey:
 
name='siravarice' said:
I think buying a Pro would be silly. There are now i7 laptops around (not many) and are no doubt going to spread like wildfire. If the Uni recommends a program that runs well on macs then by all mean pay out for one, but if not, get a pc laptop. The configurations are endless and they are so much cheaper. She could even buy a nice big screen to run from her laptop when she is at home to make things a bit easier!

I agree, i7 laptops are coming round like NY rats now, and price is dropping, i already found a asus i7 with gtx260 for 799 USD :O this is exactly what i told her, that she needs a pc that can multi-thread and multi task easier, and only i7 or a quad core will do that. And hthe spare money to buy a bigger monitor, exactly what i told her, hahaha thanks man!
 
name='Dualist' said:
I use AutoCad a lot for work (using 07 atm) and as far as I know it won't install on a Mac or Linux OS so their out of the question. It's the same for Solidworks too, Micro$haft products only.

So you can tell yer sis that Macs are crap :D

Thats not a real issue, it is possible to install cad on mac, there is software that somehow emulates win os architecture to run MS applications! Same is for Linux, as i use it a lot too! and i have all those installed on linux running more stable then it runs on MS to be honest, hahahhaha god save the Linux!

name='equk' said:
Depends on what CAD you are doing and what tools you are using.

AutoCAD seems to be windows only (I used to use it at work)

AutoCAD is seen as a pretty basic noob tool tho when you speak to people who do more 3D CAD work which is why a lot use macs (also osx does seem more responsive for graphical work depending on the app you are using)

That is something to think about, but what do u really mean, different softwares then the ones already mentioned? Which ones? In real she would be using CAD the most! However i am trying to teach her SketchUP! :worship:

GUYS, thanks a lot for participating, please continue to discuss this with me so we can hit the hammer soon!
 
Definitely needs to second monitor for work like this. If she doesn't get a laptop and a screen, give her a slap from me. It's OK, I said so.
 
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Originally Posted by lasher View Post

Hi Denis,

only advice I can offer is from my own experience with autocad. I use autocad2009 daily but only on single line applications. Opening 8mb construction drawings brings my laptop to it's knees but once the programme is running it works fine. I've got a HP Compaq 8510

if she's studying architecture, what programme does the uni reccommend? Using too many packages could cloud the issue.

I also think you've answered / convinced yourself over many points re specifications. Now the fun part - price it up!
 
name='siravarice' said:
Definitely needs to second monitor for work like this. If she doesn't get a laptop and a screen, give her a slap from me. It's OK, I said so.

hahahaha would love to do that! :whack:
 
Assuming 'architecture' is close to our 'architectural engineering' course I think she will mainly be using AutoCAD, or at least AE is. If it's not, she will mainly be drawing by hand. Yes. By hand. It's what a lot of architects still do in the earlier stages of a project.

AutoCAD's drafting and 3d modeling processes are single threaded. For that I'd say go for a high power CPU, doesn't really hurt if it's dual instead of quad core.

SSD is really a good point, since AutoCAD has long starting times and uses a _LOT_ of files.

Rendering is another story. It completely stresses my overclocked i7, 99% on all threads sometimes. Rendering isn't something you do a lot though, and the difference would be 10 minutes and 20 minutes of waiting. Either way you have to wait long enough to start doing something else.

High resolution is the main thing you are after when using any CAD. Try finding a reasonably (15.4", 16.*") sized laptop with 1920*1200 or 1920*1080. They are rare, but allow for larger drawings to be viewed without things coming unreadable. Also, the point of a secondary screen has been made, and to be honest windows 7 is the best OS with dual screens I've seen so far.
 
name='denis6902' said:
thanks monkey7 i really appreciate ur comment! Hows things back in holand btw?
Busy ^^ Uni project which has quite a tight schedule and finding a work placement :)
 
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