Bulldozer coming 19/09/2011
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ruthless_villain
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Good right after i get my moneys should have about £500 to play with
Ya93sin
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For now: Sandy Bridge
For Later: Ivy Bridge
For Later and you have a big budget: Sandy Bridge E
For much later and AMD deliver mid-2012: Bulldozer
dugdiamond
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the RTM deadline for AM4 models is 29th feb 2012
(leap year)
SmoulderingCircuits
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Hopefuly those without square core counts can be unlocked to more
SmoulderingCircuits
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OMG boost all 8 cores upto 4.5 Ghz wow and theres probably still overclocking headroom - I'm sooooo excited
Thubans do about 25% more than stock so that means likely another 1.125Ghz for 5.625Ghz rough overclock
Is that on air?
SmoulderingCircuits
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Going by Thuban characteristics, should be able to do it with high end air or low end water
and these chips will be available in Q1 2012 - so is it worth waiting to get 300Mhz more?
SmoulderingCircuits
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and these chips will be available in Q1 2012 - so is it worth waiting to get 300Mhz more?
Not necessarily, wait another 50 years and pocket calculators will be running these - you have to eventually just take the plunge and buy something
Not necessarily, wait another 50 years and pocket calculators will be running these - you have to eventually just take the plunge and buy something
I know but I might wait to see intel's offering first
nothingspecial
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The 8150 well be a contender for my Christmas rig. So far it's between that and the 2500k.
Anyone know if Ivy is likely to arrive before then?
Wonder how soon they'll lift the NDA so we can get some proper info and tests on these...
Anyone know if Ivy is likely to arrive before then?
Wonder how soon they'll lift the NDA so we can get some proper info and tests on these...
alienware
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Thing is they're all 6 and 8 cores. Which, logically, is pretty stupid. I mean sure if they were all being used then wow, that would sound super impressive.
In the real world though on planet earth they won't be, leading me to feel that unless they can clock up and perform like the Sandybridge then they're not going to be worth having.
Let me just put that into perspective a bit..
Recently I read a 'VS' test between the Core I7 2600k and the £900 990x. In everything but fully multithreaded apps the 2600k won hands down. Gaming, 2600k. It just went on.
I'm not adverse to people 'over buying' computer gear I mean sheet, we've all done it, but wasting cash on cores has always seemed pretty crazy to me. When I made the leap to the I7 950 it wasn't about the amount of cores. It was about the technology behind those cores and how those cores, at 3ghz, could whallop a 6 cored AMD at 4ghz.
The thing is, AMD do not have a core technology on the market now, even in their server CPUs, that is as good as SB. Which then leads me to conclude that Bulldozer isn't going to be better than the server solutions they have now, because they would be complete idiots to put out faster and cheaper desktop CPUs that undermine their server ones. The 990x in a server will fare better than the 2600k. However, take note of how Intel have now ended the 1366 CPUs completely. There's a good reason for that.
So yeah, maybe I am being a little cynical and I do feel that AMD will offer a very cheap core to cost ratio, but I really don't feel deep down that they could possibly be better than the SB I5 and I7, given that they are both better and faster than anything AMD make now. Even their 12 cored CPUs.
Apparently yes. But I am guessing that it will all depend on when AMD intend to release theirs. Show me yours and all that happy stuff
And then wait to see AMD's retaliation, then Intel's counter, then AMD.... Repeat to fade.
Get off the bloody PC travelator man. Drag yourself from pergatory, and then poo or get off the potty. Sooner or later you are going to have to take the plunge, and sooner or later you are going to have to feel the agony of watching your hard spent beans lose value.
High end air = better than low end water, by a bleeding long way too. Even triple rads fare no better on Sandybridge than the NH-D14, and, as time passes air coolers will even over take water coolers.
Water cooling is a very aging idea and technology. Where as air cooling is contantly being developed and studied and thus, gets better all the time. Water cooling is about where it can be. You can't redesign the same sort of radiators that we have used in our cars for decades and nor would you want to. It's a proven technology but sooner or later the air coolers will win over.
Water = looks and art form. There really isn't any other reason for having it unless you take GPUs into account and triple Xfire/SLI where the cards can't breath. Sensible money would be to NH-D14 and a water loop for GPUs, but who is going to do that? it would look poo lol.
Yeah woot ! I can feel my Ewilly swelling as we speak.
8 cores 8 smores.
In the real world though on planet earth they won't be, leading me to feel that unless they can clock up and perform like the Sandybridge then they're not going to be worth having.
Let me just put that into perspective a bit..
Recently I read a 'VS' test between the Core I7 2600k and the £900 990x. In everything but fully multithreaded apps the 2600k won hands down. Gaming, 2600k. It just went on.
I'm not adverse to people 'over buying' computer gear I mean sheet, we've all done it, but wasting cash on cores has always seemed pretty crazy to me. When I made the leap to the I7 950 it wasn't about the amount of cores. It was about the technology behind those cores and how those cores, at 3ghz, could whallop a 6 cored AMD at 4ghz.
The thing is, AMD do not have a core technology on the market now, even in their server CPUs, that is as good as SB. Which then leads me to conclude that Bulldozer isn't going to be better than the server solutions they have now, because they would be complete idiots to put out faster and cheaper desktop CPUs that undermine their server ones. The 990x in a server will fare better than the 2600k. However, take note of how Intel have now ended the 1366 CPUs completely. There's a good reason for that.
So yeah, maybe I am being a little cynical and I do feel that AMD will offer a very cheap core to cost ratio, but I really don't feel deep down that they could possibly be better than the SB I5 and I7, given that they are both better and faster than anything AMD make now. Even their 12 cored CPUs.
Apparently yes. But I am guessing that it will all depend on when AMD intend to release theirs. Show me yours and all that happy stuff
And then wait to see AMD's retaliation, then Intel's counter, then AMD.... Repeat to fade.
Get off the bloody PC travelator man. Drag yourself from pergatory, and then poo or get off the potty. Sooner or later you are going to have to take the plunge, and sooner or later you are going to have to feel the agony of watching your hard spent beans lose value.
High end air = better than low end water, by a bleeding long way too. Even triple rads fare no better on Sandybridge than the NH-D14, and, as time passes air coolers will even over take water coolers.
Water cooling is a very aging idea and technology. Where as air cooling is contantly being developed and studied and thus, gets better all the time. Water cooling is about where it can be. You can't redesign the same sort of radiators that we have used in our cars for decades and nor would you want to. It's a proven technology but sooner or later the air coolers will win over.
Water = looks and art form. There really isn't any other reason for having it unless you take GPUs into account and triple Xfire/SLI where the cards can't breath. Sensible money would be to NH-D14 and a water loop for GPUs, but who is going to do that? it would look poo lol.
OMG boost all 8 cores upto 4.5 Ghz wow and theres probably still overclocking headroom - I'm sooooo excited
Yeah woot ! I can feel my Ewilly swelling as we speak.
8 cores 8 smores.
dugdiamond
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you obviously dont use Oc'd PCs for anything more than gaming - now that's a total waste of money IMHO
some of us actually use their rigs for work (or a hobby), where multi-core rigs are essential
3D modellers, video/audio editing, artists, science stuff, etc...
i am looking forward to Interlagos and Terramar server bulldozers.
i will be building a 2xCPU 12-core server ASAP
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulldozer_(processor)
alienware
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Well of course. You can't rely on an overclocked PC to keep all of your precious data and nor should you. Server CPUs also use ECC and ECC boards that cost a pretty penny.
And yes, many people will prefer core count. But then it comes back to what you need. It would be foolish to go out and buy an 8 cored CPU if you are never going to use all 8 tbh.
And yes, many people will prefer core count. But then it comes back to what you need. It would be foolish to go out and buy an 8 cored CPU if you are never going to use all 8 tbh.
