WYP
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ASUS’ ROG Flagship, the RTX 4090 Matrix, now has a release date
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Hopefully the review gets into the nitty gritty:
For performance, we know how a 4090 performs, all within + or - 15fps of each other.
Looking forward to watch Toms review, no pressure
- Bios power & voltage limit ?
- Hot Spot delta with core temperature?
- Does the pump go clickety click like all other GPU AIO's or is it silent?
- For warranty claims, will Asus accept warranty if after market 12VHPWR cables have been used like cablemod, Thermal Grizzly Wire View etc etc?
- Do you have to install Asus buggy software to control the RGB or can the RGB be controlled with open source lightweight software, for example OpenRGB?
- Can the fans & pump be ran of motherboard PWM?
For performance, we know how a 4090 performs, all within + or - 15fps of each other.
Looking forward to watch Toms review, no pressure
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Dicehunter
Resident Newb
Current info from Nvidia themselves points to the 5000 series not arriving until Q1-2 in 2025, As well as various other "leakers"... there'll still be a lot of people who will snap these up, The Matrix cards always go quickly.
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Dawelio
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Not surprised since the 4080 and even the 4090 are in leagues of their own. Nothing comes close to them and hence Nvidia is in no rush with a new generation.
Dicehunter
Resident Newb
Indeed, It's really only a 6 month extension onto the usual 2 year release window but Nvidia are making literal mountains of money on their AI cards so they aren't in a rush.
On topic though it will be interesting to see the temps and clocks of the Matrix card.
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AlienALX
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Funny thing is they are both miles from where they could have been, too.
Dawelio
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AlienALX
Well-known member
I've held back my opinion on this all day. TBH these days when stupid things release I don't even bother. I call it disgust, and not want to be drawn down to this sort of level to discuss something that any intelligent person can understand.
It mentions metal bits like they are some sort of unobtainium and so on. Which is bs. We also know that it uses a weak, crap, plastic pump assembly found on a $50 AIO. Like, a whole, complete $50 AIO.
People are saying it is an overkill card. IT IS NOT. Overkill would have been true, as it stands they are just telling lots of lies. Overkill would mean a ground up card to run LN2. It would have gold solder points and like EVGA use gold solder. It has none of that, yet it costs over double what the 3090Ti Kingpin card did.
They go onto overclocking in said reviews, yet all dance around the fact taht it is barely faster than an air cooled card. They tried to overclock and got hit wih a 3060mhz brick wall they could not get past. So it clearly does not have a custom BIOS and thus we are going back to Maxwell era and so on by everything being hard locked out. So you can't do bugger all to maake the card draw more power in order to break over the hard limits.
The thing is, as I fuond with my 2080Ti Kingpin was that in order to go over 2250mhz you needed to put on a bios that voids your warranty. I didn't do it as I was too scared, I mean that card cost me £1799. As if I was going to blow it up for the sake of stupidity and then have nothing because I had void my warranty.
These products are like heroin. They get you to chase the performance dragon but if you fluff up?
It's on you and your loss. TBH I Wonder whether the core BIN isn't even good really. If it stops that soon (8% faster than the FE even overclocked) and is around the same as the Surprim costing half the price?
It's dumb isn't it. Just plain, totally and completely absolutely dumb.
Sadly it is a sign of the times. However, what Asus and etc with their £1200 motherboards are not getting is that people just aren't buying it.
Jay? Jay actually did, IMO, his finest video a day or so back. Let me find it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA5YwIIQlAc
Watch that. If you never watch another one it doesn't matter, but watch that one.
And he is spot on, and he actually did a lot of research to show just how rotten things are. And, how they have changed. Big time. So I just find it terribly uncouth that Asus would even make a prototype of this because it is just so insulting to anyone who buys any Asus product AT ALL. THEY are crowd funding s**t like this to be made and sold to dumb ass rich people.
It's everything that is wrong with society, and Asus should be damn well ashamed of themselves.
Now you can see why I never made it as a journalist, and why Tom never took me on here.
It mentions metal bits like they are some sort of unobtainium and so on. Which is bs. We also know that it uses a weak, crap, plastic pump assembly found on a $50 AIO. Like, a whole, complete $50 AIO.
People are saying it is an overkill card. IT IS NOT. Overkill would have been true, as it stands they are just telling lots of lies. Overkill would mean a ground up card to run LN2. It would have gold solder points and like EVGA use gold solder. It has none of that, yet it costs over double what the 3090Ti Kingpin card did.
They go onto overclocking in said reviews, yet all dance around the fact taht it is barely faster than an air cooled card. They tried to overclock and got hit wih a 3060mhz brick wall they could not get past. So it clearly does not have a custom BIOS and thus we are going back to Maxwell era and so on by everything being hard locked out. So you can't do bugger all to maake the card draw more power in order to break over the hard limits.
The thing is, as I fuond with my 2080Ti Kingpin was that in order to go over 2250mhz you needed to put on a bios that voids your warranty. I didn't do it as I was too scared, I mean that card cost me £1799. As if I was going to blow it up for the sake of stupidity and then have nothing because I had void my warranty.
These products are like heroin. They get you to chase the performance dragon but if you fluff up?
It's on you and your loss. TBH I Wonder whether the core BIN isn't even good really. If it stops that soon (8% faster than the FE even overclocked) and is around the same as the Surprim costing half the price?
It's dumb isn't it. Just plain, totally and completely absolutely dumb.
Sadly it is a sign of the times. However, what Asus and etc with their £1200 motherboards are not getting is that people just aren't buying it.
Jay? Jay actually did, IMO, his finest video a day or so back. Let me find it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA5YwIIQlAc
Watch that. If you never watch another one it doesn't matter, but watch that one.
And he is spot on, and he actually did a lot of research to show just how rotten things are. And, how they have changed. Big time. So I just find it terribly uncouth that Asus would even make a prototype of this because it is just so insulting to anyone who buys any Asus product AT ALL. THEY are crowd funding s**t like this to be made and sold to dumb ass rich people.
It's everything that is wrong with society, and Asus should be damn well ashamed of themselves.
Now you can see why I never made it as a journalist, and why Tom never took me on here.
Don't buy this card unless you love the sound of castanets, yes the pump does sound like somebody who has taken 2 grams of amphetamine next to you with this clickety instrument:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPgjE_H2k9s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZc1R0QPM0M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPgjE_H2k9s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZc1R0QPM0M
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KingNosser
Active member
Sure it's way way way overpriced and I'd never buy it.
I think if I did want a 4090 WC I'd simply get a custom block and loop and I'm more than very sure that would run a lot lot cheaper with the exact same performance!
Still it doesn't surprise me at all and some people out there will buy it, it's far from being a bad product but of course it's a disgusting price.
https://youtu.be/nP4DBpWy_64?si=LPXGvwOMXTcji693
I think if I did want a 4090 WC I'd simply get a custom block and loop and I'm more than very sure that would run a lot lot cheaper with the exact same performance!
Still it doesn't surprise me at all and some people out there will buy it, it's far from being a bad product but of course it's a disgusting price.
https://youtu.be/nP4DBpWy_64?si=LPXGvwOMXTcji693
KingNosser
Active member
Listen to the pump noise, it's a very bad product
well to be fair while there is noise with the pump, the mic was placed very close to the back of the card in person most likely not that bad as the sound seems.
Still doesn't justify the price over a normal card with custom block+loop.
KingNosser
Active member
of course it's like 1000 over priced, we all know it.
Its less than that if you factor in the watercooling features.
EKWB for these cards are around 280-300 euros now. So take that, plus the cost of the fans and radiator. Its not as overpriced as people think.
e.g. Average GPU in Norway is between 20,000kr and 27,000kr. To put this under water, a block costs me at least 3000kr. Radiator used here is an additional 1,200. Fans we can ignore. in GBP thats pretty much £3000.
In the end, I see only the typical "Asus tax" we all know. The rest are valid cost additions. I still wouldnt buy it though. I would rather tool it via my own choices and options available to me.
What is unacceptable, is the terrible air bleed going on inside. I wonder if this pre-release still had too much air trapped. It gives the sound all Watercooling setups make when you run the first batch of coolant around an empty loop waiting for it to reach the reservoir again.
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AlienALX
Well-known member
In fairness you are comparing the most over priced WB there is on the market today.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/100...0981cf641de88c71be8df4d37cd&afSmartRedirect=y
As for the rest? well, do we know what the rad is made of? I bet it's aluminium.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Thermalrig...695226491&sprefix=360+aio,aps,69&sr=8-11&th=1
It's been long known that companies basically like to one up each other with tat in order to make new price brackets. Jay covers it all in the video. £1200 for a motherboard, and so on.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/100...0981cf641de88c71be8df4d37cd&afSmartRedirect=y
As for the rest? well, do we know what the rad is made of? I bet it's aluminium.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Thermalrig...695226491&sprefix=360+aio,aps,69&sr=8-11&th=1
It's been long known that companies basically like to one up each other with tat in order to make new price brackets. Jay covers it all in the video. £1200 for a motherboard, and so on.
