Sorry, but once again you missed the point. I am the OP of this thread. So it isn't about what another posters point was, it is about what my point was, being the OP. That is how forums work, in case you've forgotten. and my original point was more about the lack of updated tech on this years cases, and how companies seem to have regressed in this notion. And ttl's point was that I couldn't say that because the product wasn't even out yet. So I used the standard of industry in general to say that what he was saying was NOT a good excuse. And guess what, most people who are in this industry agree with me. So Mr. Contrary, you are the one in the minority! Obviously you haven't watched to many videos, or read very much news on the subject, as about 98% of the consensus seems to be in my corner. Almost every big name in this industry has reported that Intel got caught with their pants down, and reacted very, very poorly as a consequence. That by the way supports everything I am espousing here in this thread. So you can put your head back in the sand and ignore facts, if that is how you choose to live. But the other 98% of us are wide awake to Intel's galactic mistake.