Are non conductive fluids a scam?

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I was in a chemistry lesson today and to my surprise learnt that water in fact does not conduct electricity. It is the free ions (basically minerals, etc) that carry the charge. This made me think. (forgive me if somebody has asked this already) Why would you spend loads on non conductive cooling fluid when you can buy 5L of deionised water from halfords for £3.99? Is there some kind of problem with it?
 
It's due to the thermal conductivity as well as the viscosity. It has to be somewhat thicker than water and conduct heat well enough to draw it away. Water just wouldn't cut it.
 
Ah, i wondered why it wasn't used as much, surely the less viscous though the faster the heat is removed due to higher flow?
 
Actually, water has one of the thermal transfer properties known, it has a very high heat capacity (4.18J/K/cm^3), so is pretty much ideal. However the problems with deionised water are:

1). It is only deionised until you get dust/anything else in your loop. This includes ions metal from the radiator, block or pump. Then we have conduction

2). If you have anything in the loop that is not the same metal (e.g. aluminium radiator and copper block), the water will conduct a small charge, which will liberate ions from one and deposit them on the other. So you will find your copper block being aluminium plated or vice versa (would need to check the relative electrochemical stabilities).

3). Deionised water has nothing to kill bacteria like tap water does. So algae etc. get in there and colonise. Yay for green pipes.

Premixed coolant has biocide and corrosion inhibitor in (often the same thing, ethylene glycol - antifreeze), which lowers the dielectric constant of water and prevents algae growing. It also tends to look nicer.

Additionally water is a (very poor) conductor, it will self ionise at 10^-14, hence the concentration of [H+] ions in pure water is 10^-7, which gives us the neutral pH of 7. But the last point is by the by because the impurities even in deionised water will exceed the self ionisation by probably a million times.
 
This isn't a strong topic of mine though... so I can't answer all questions about liquid submersion cooling or phase change cooling. Plus, Diablo's answer puts me to shame.
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I've only had people tell me about it.

Edit: Wait, were you talking about submersion cooling or just liquid cooling?
 
A lot of regular watercooling fluids claim to be non-conducting (they're not perfect, I have a bricked hard drive that confirms this). In terms of submersion, you would need something that is properly non conducting in all situations, such as mineral oil, or fluorinert. The later is the better option, but bad for the environment and really expensive.
 
Edit: Wait, were you talking about submersion cooling or just liquid cooling?

it wasnt stated, just that water isnt the conductor of electicity, the garbage in the water are the shockie parts..

Diablo, ask Tom for a cookie... well stated! plus these are not "sealed" systems as impuities can infultrate the system just

though the air supply, heat and micro-particles..

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Not sure if this is of any interest:

http://www.overclock...mistry-part-ii/

article said:
In conclusion, I will say I am still a believer in using distilled water as the primary coolant

Pretty old article but has some interesting info.

I remember mayhem posting a while ago on coolant saying something about conductivity and that one of the coolant manufacturers were falsely advertising that their coolant wasn't conductive (something along those lines)

Can't find the post now tho
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Pemixes are oky for leaning and for ease of use

The only maker of fluids that are "REALY" non-conductive is M3 and they produce a full range of fluids how ever unless your ready to part with £120 a Ltr this may be out of your price range.
 
Now I'm a little confused... is deionised the same as demineralized ? It seems like I've been using the wrong coolant the whole time... I looked it up in google translate and the coolant I use (afjónað vatn) means demineralized water and when I looked up Distilled water then I get something completely different
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Now I'm a little confused... is deionised the same as demineralized ? It seems like I've been using the wrong coolant the whole time... I looked it up in google translate and the coolant I use (afjónað vatn) means demineralized water and when I looked up Distilled water then I get something completely different
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[font=Verdana, sans-serif]There is no difference. Deionization and Demineralization is the same process.[/font]

Deionization

Deionized water, also known as demineralized water[sup][2][/sup] (DI water, DIW or de-ionized water), is water that has had its mineral ions removed, such as cations from sodium, calcium, iron, copper and anions such as chloride and bromide.

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Ok thanks man. I've seen that a lot of people use DI water but maybe I'm misunderstanding something here. Is it ok to use DI water instead of distilled??
 
Ok thanks man. I've seen that a lot of people use DI water but maybe I'm misunderstanding something here. Is it ok to use DI water instead of distilled??

distilled water is the purest form of water as when you evaporate lets say tap water, only water can vaporise at 100c thus after condensing you only have h2o, literally.

[font=arial, helvetica, san-serif]deionised water is also good, but from what i have learnt in chemistry, it may not entirely purify water.[/font]

more info :

Deionized Water Defined
  • Deionized water is made by exposing tap or natural spring water to electrically charged resins, which bind to the mineral ions or salts in the water, including calcium, iron, copper, sodium, bromide and chloride, and remove them.

Distilled Water Defined

  • Distilled water is also demineralized water, but the minerals are removed through distillation, which involves converting spring water to steam. Since the minerals are too heavy, they remain behind while the vapor or mist is collected as it cools and condenses to create distilled water. If distilled correctly, the water should contain only oxygen and hydrogen molecules, have a PH level of 7 and contain no other minerals, contaminants or gases.

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Read more: [/font]

Deionized Vs. Distilled Water | eHow.comhttp://www.ehow.com/...l#ixzz1tHB6yzWy
 
So am I getting this about right... It's ok to use DIW as long as you don't have any leaks or is it making the blocks dirtier then distilled??
 
So am I getting this about right... It's ok to use DIW as long as you don't have any leaks or is it making the blocks dirtier then distilled??

any of them will work perfectly, just make sure your loop is clean (flushed with DIW) before you fill it up! and you will be fine
 
Distilled water is much better than deionised water, it is 100% pure, but it is much more expensive, as the process requires repeated evaporating and condensing, which uses a lot of energy. Also it does not remove the H+ ions from water, which could be a problem (basically an acid), but seen as though all the impuritys have been removed there is nothing for them to react with
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