WYP
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Apple's Macbook Pro will use a proprietary SSD, preventing Mac users from upgrading their storage solution themselves.
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Apple's Macbook Pro will use a proprietary SSD
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AlienALX
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Wow. This comes with the massive price hike too, and you just know that SSD is going to cost a small fortune. It's almost like we've gone full circle.
80s and 90s - companies like HP, Compaq and Apricot make nice looking computers. Only, they're all proprietary so you get screwed for repairs. End of 90s into 2000s, companies doing that are listed as pretty much being bum companies so people start building their own PCs using interchangeable parts because doing crap like this is frowned upon.
It shouldn't be allowed. Having a complete monopoly on a product just shouldn't be allowed to happen.
80s and 90s - companies like HP, Compaq and Apricot make nice looking computers. Only, they're all proprietary so you get screwed for repairs. End of 90s into 2000s, companies doing that are listed as pretty much being bum companies so people start building their own PCs using interchangeable parts because doing crap like this is frowned upon.
It shouldn't be allowed. Having a complete monopoly on a product just shouldn't be allowed to happen.
This is how you encourage investment and development of new technology. If a firm invests time and money into developing a product, they need to be guaranteed that they will be the only ones able to produce it, or else they will not be able to cover their costs and make enough profit for everything to be viable. You basically said that copyrights should not exist.
I doubt they would change the connector just to prevent people from upgrading. Either they have designed a new SSD technology or they just needed a smaller form factor. It remains to be seen.
That's not how Apple operates.
They haven't designed new tech, they just needed to reorganize how everything was laid out in order to fit it in the smaller form factor available to them.
They view this as a bonus because as they are the only ones with the design, they can be the sole supplier of the drives.
It's not apple innovating, it's Apple creating a niche that only they can fill for their new laptops.
It's unfair to say they don't design new tech, because they clearly do. As an example look at the internals of the MacBook or the NVME storage in the iPhone 6s. Like it or not, thats innovation.
It does not matter that they are the sole supplier of the drives, because they are the ones manufacturing and selling the laptops. They can choose whatever drives they want. It wouldn't even make sense for other brands to produce the drives.
AlienALX
Well-known member
That's not what I meant, though. Take away the comp techs? then take away the mechanics, TV repair men etc.
They are making sure that absolutely no one but them makes any money on any of their products ever. IMO that's a monopoly. They've tried to do it with video games and failed. Apple may win but all it will do is people off. Up to them I guess?
looz
Active member
It's NVMe, not new SSD tech. Also that doesn't look smaller than M.2 would look like.
I doubt the controller design matters either.
barnsley
born in a.....
Yeah this is a bit dumb but no one (unless you count the core mac fanbase that has been around since PowerPC) really changed these themselves. If they fail and you're under warranty you'll be fine. If not you get it replaced by Apple/one of the few apple certified repair companies. Its like a really, really expensive phone innit.*
The whole USB-C (sorry 'thunderbolt 3') thing is by far the biggest pain in the rear that Apple have done. That and no ethernet. The 'Pro' bit is just a gimmick nowadays. Gone were the times when Apple stuff was arguably much better for creative types. Now they just milk people who, for whatever reason, want a Macbook but consider the Air not suitable.
*No I'm not excusing it. I just don't see why this is an issue seeing as its already somewhat of a ball ache to upgrade them.
The whole USB-C (sorry 'thunderbolt 3') thing is by far the biggest pain in the rear that Apple have done. That and no ethernet. The 'Pro' bit is just a gimmick nowadays. Gone were the times when Apple stuff was arguably much better for creative types. Now they just milk people who, for whatever reason, want a Macbook but consider the Air not suitable.
*No I'm not excusing it. I just don't see why this is an issue seeing as its already somewhat of a ball ache to upgrade them.
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
See that's still not innovation. They are just using a new technology and being the first to apply it to a phone where others have done computer's. Now if they made it themselves, then yes innovation. But they didn't invent NVMe.
Sure they didn't invent it, but they were the first to implement it in a unique way. As far as I know, there haven't been any other phone manufacturers that have done the same. I doubt its as simple as "just using the new technology". It probably took a good deal of research and designing to get it working.
barnsley
born in a.....
Its another case of apple taking something that was either a) poorly implemented or b) used in an odd way and actually applying it properly. They also bring it to the (admittedly rich) masses. They don't seem to do it as often as they used to however. Needless to say whatever Apple do to the iPhone will be mocked until some overrated android manufacturer does the same.
In some cases it takes competitors years to catch up. The only way for people to 'beat' Apple is to innovate, not copy.
Yep, can't disagree with that. Although hopefully, Android phone manufacturers don't copy the lack of a headphone jack.
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
No there haven't, but that's because most of the Android companies arent in PC markets unlike Apple, so they don't have familiarity with it, whereas Samsung is the only one really, but seeing as there phones were already released, it won't come till next year's version. Also have to consider costs and fixability, is it worth implementing? Probably not. Phones don't really need it so it's a feature that can wait. Which is why I'm sure they won't have till next year.
I doubt it took much design. This is a new standard, has many applications it can fit, I'm sure this was already thought of. I'm not saying Apple suck, but I sure don't think this is impressive nor innovative. It's the same concept of being the first company to get NVMe into a motherboard, that's great, but not innovative. It was designed for that it just means they rushed to get it in to get an edge.
I suppose its a matter of opinion then, whether you consider something to be impressive/innovative or not. I really don't like Apple as a brand. I disagree with most of the decisions they make, but I have to hand it to them when they do something new that is actually useful.
sheroo
New member
I won't buy Apple products end of. Somebody brought me an old Apple all in one PC of some description a few years ago - I worked out the graphics card was stuffed. In a standard PC 5 mins to replace - in an Apple PC - forget it - buried under layers & layers - just put it in a skip.
Want some music on your phone - iTunes - won't have that pile of crap installed on any of my PC's. On an Android device just plug it via USB drag & drop - easy...
Apple pay your taxes, like everyone else.
Their marketing is great, but their products are no better than anyone else's - but you are tied in to a proprietary format - no thanks.
And for all the marketing - it doesn't just work, it has all the same problems as all the other rushed out & poorly tested tech. I know lets get rid of that simple headphone socket, and replace it with a set of headphones that cost nearly £160.
Just don't get sucked in by all the marketing, Apple is a company for people who have got too much money, and haven't got a clue what to spend it on...
Want some music on your phone - iTunes - won't have that pile of crap installed on any of my PC's. On an Android device just plug it via USB drag & drop - easy...
Apple pay your taxes, like everyone else.
Their marketing is great, but their products are no better than anyone else's - but you are tied in to a proprietary format - no thanks.
And for all the marketing - it doesn't just work, it has all the same problems as all the other rushed out & poorly tested tech. I know lets get rid of that simple headphone socket, and replace it with a set of headphones that cost nearly £160.
Just don't get sucked in by all the marketing, Apple is a company for people who have got too much money, and haven't got a clue what to spend it on...
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And furthermore, Apple have confirmed an increase in price due to all the people who voted for Brexit.
Have to love the fall out from this fiasco. Its still lingering around and having a detrimental effect.
