Amount of Cache on CPU

BbBoS

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I'm thinking of upgrading my E8400 to a quad core soon, and I don't think I will be able to afford an i7 and also I don't want to replace my motherboard because I'm scared I won't be able to wire everything up properly again (Had help last time)

I have been looking round at some Quad cores for socket 775 and I've seen the Q8400 and the Q9400 and the only difference I see is the price and the amount of L2 Cache. Will this make much difference in performance? Is 6 enough for a quad core or should I look at something with more than 6mb like the Q9550 / Q9650?

And also is there a decent CPU cooler out there which uses push pins so I don't have to remove the motherboard?
 
In terms of CPU cooler, if you're not looking to overclock your CPU, then I imagine the stock cooler will be fine (I think it has push pins - my Q9300 came with push pins).

As for the CPUs, I know the 8400 is a newer model than the 9400, but I'm not sure how they compare as processors. Remember to check your chipset too before you buy a new processor, and that your motherboard is compatible.
 
I've got a P45 MSI Platinum, so it should run them. But I would like to overclock it, if I wait a few months would prices of the i7's come down because I won't be getting one for 3-4 months and by then I will hopefully have 500 or more to spend
 
What's your current system spec.?

If you can use parts from your current system in your new build then 500 pounds should be enough for CPU+Motherboard+Memory+CPU Cooler - but i doubt you could get much more for 500. [You could also make some money from selling your current setup on eBay or something]

It wont be too tricky to set everything up, so try not to worry about that - all you need is a little bit of time.
 
E8400 running at 3.5Ghz Stock Cooling

Sapphire 4870 1Gb Core 800Mhz Memory 850Mhz

4Gb RAM

MSI P45 Platinum

Coolermaster Real Power 620W PSU

320Gb Samsung F3

Thermaltake Armour Jr

Graphics card is fine for now, but its mainly the processor I want to upgrade in few months time. And it also depends if Intel are going to release a 32nm i7 920 equivilent and also is there any guides on the internet that can help me guide into building / changing the parts on my PC because last time I had a lot of help and I won't be able to this time
 
There are plenty of guides on the internet to help you build - but you could easily build an i7 set up with those parts plus 500 pounds. [With some money left over] - Although I would suggest looking into buying a new case - that thermaltake might be a little small to fit some CPU coolers. I'm not sure though.
 
I'd say definately go the i5 route at the moment. I went from an E8500 setup (pretty similar to yours) to an i5 750 and its a great improvement. Like SA said, you can get some pretty good mobos quite cheap for them at the moment and performance wise it isnt that far behind the i7 920.

What are you actually using your PC for? If its mainly gaming then I'd say stick with a dual core, they tend to be able to achieve higher clocks which seems to show more of an improvment than more cores (some games like more cores, but most are happy with just the 2).
 
Well I use it for gaming, and then doing work which any computer could do. But I play games which are processor heavy such as GTA IV and Crysis. GTA lags quite a bit for me with the CPU I have at the minute, although they arn't my main games as such, I usaully play a lot of the Battlefield Series and a few RTS games although my PC can run it at max so its fine at the minute. Would you suggest then getting a new cooler for my PC rather than new parts as such?

I know that the CPU I got can go to around 4.5Ghz with the voltage at 1.4v or slightly under but would an i7 930 / 920 at roughly 3.8 - 4.2 Ghz do as good as a job?
 
If you want to upgrade and keep high clocks then go for the i3. It's very efficient and you can get the OCUK package that is clocked at 4GHz. It also comes with a one year warranty! That's basically a quad core with the hyper threading and they are seriously cheap. If you don't want to buy a package with the i3, make sure you get the Gigabyte UD-2. For a micro ATX board, it overclocks better than just about any 1156 mobo.
 
Being brutally honest, the E8400 is by no means a slouch when it comes to gaming. Suggesting some1 to go from an E8400 to a Q9xxx, I'd really need to know that they're going to utilize that extra core goodness in a practical way to warrant the outlay. Even when 775 was king.

Unless ofc some etailer is spooning them out on the cheap.

Cache is something that will benefit a cpu when it gets bombarded with tasks or processes to do. If u mainly play games, the difference between 4/6/8/12m cache isn't going to make a tremendous difference. To this day, I think 3 processes spawned by a game is the most I've seen. 4m to 12m arguably will result in smoother OS performance also. U'd also see the benefit if u use 5x anti virus things, 4x firewalls, have 3x facebook/socializing thingies open and active, converting pr0n, mass file copying, torrenting, limewiring, viewing the internet, doing ur mail, playing music, having iplayer in a window - and despite all this, having masses of malware trying to make u buy stuff. - but hey, I think the problem here wouldn't really be the lack of cache.

If ur E8400, that I have to say running @3.5 ghz is a real decent performer, happened to blow up on u, then yes a 775 cheapesque cpu as a replacement would be a consideration, and seeing as quads are on the shelf why the hell not get one. But if it's a replacement to something that's working, it'd be more practical to think along what the guyz are saying and save up for a jump up in generation mobos altogether.

At the end of the day, as good as the 775 series is, u do have to safeguard ur future with the tech.

Thing to remember about cache is that it's the cpu's own private playground for dealing with tasks. The more u throw at it, the more playing room it'll have to execute what u want within that cache. Unfortunately and fortunately perhaps, a windows based pc that games tends to deal with these tasks before another one comes along. Windows ""should"" have no more than 30-50 processes laying around idle, 5 or so active, and the launching of a game doesn't do much to sweat the cpu. As I hinted at tho, if u open taskmanager and there's 50miliion tasks both idle and active, then there are other issues - and yes the larger the cache the better.
 
Ok then, thankyou for the adivce from all of you, for now I will leave my CPU as it is and mabye get a new cooler :)
 
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