AMD's Ryzen CPUs use 10% less die area than their Intel equivalents

[WYP]

AMD's Ryzen CPUs use 10% less die area than their Intel equivalents, potentially allowing AMD to produce their Ryzen CPUs more cheaply than Intel.



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[RobM]

Ooo now that is interesting, even more pressure on Intel

 

[g0ggles1994]

Wow, wouldn't have expected a smaller die than Intel. I just want to see actual release date now. The hype train is like from Back to the Future and the red log is about to blow.

 

[spies_sparks]

Gotta love those rumours!

I still doubt AMD will actually be able to become the competition, it once was...

 

[Surpuppa]

Why does the dye size matter?

 

[AlienALX]

Why does the dye size matter?

Smaller it is cheaper to make plus more you can cram onto a CPU.

Wafers are round. They then cut squares from that round silicon wafer. The smaller the die the more you get per wafer and the higher the % of working dies vs dead ones.

TLDR it's cheaper so you can sell more for less.

 

[NeverBackDown]

Then again Intel also has a iGPU on die as well. So this should be smaller, considering the iGPU is nearly 60% of the total die.

Still, I see AMD is slowly building the hype train

 

[AngryGoldfish]

Then again Intel also has a iGPU on die as well. So this should be smaller, considering the iGPU is nearly 60% of the total die.

Still, I see AMD is slowly building the hype train

Yeah, this is pretty important. I think it was you that said months ago that Intel simply had to remove its iGPU and it would have a great deal more space to improve the dedicated CPU section. They could split their CPU line-up so that some contained an iGPU while others did not. Like they do with the Extreme series but without the 'extreme' price tag.

 

[NeverBackDown]

Yeah, this is pretty important. I think it was you that said months ago that Intel simply had to remove its iGPU and it would have a great deal more space to improve the dedicated CPU section. They could split their CPU line-up so that some contained an iGPU while others did not. Like they do with the Extreme series but without the 'extreme' price tag.

Not sure if it was, but it sounds familiar.
But we both know they won't do that...

 

[AlienALX]

Then again Intel also has a iGPU on die as well. So this should be smaller, considering the iGPU is nearly 60% of the total die.

Still, I see AMD is slowly building the hype train

Yup and the funny part is what Intel can charge for that huge lump of die.. Sod all !

Basically until they blocked Xeons from running on Desktop boards you could buy an apples for apples Xeon that matched anI3, I5 or I7 without the iGPU for a whopping £30 less.

So basically Intel charged a £30 premium for all of that silicon. Mad ! No wonder they are courting AMD for a better iGPU

 

[Kaapstad]

AMD's Ryzen CPUs use 10% less die area than their Intel equivalents, potentially allowing AMD to produce their Ryzen CPUs more cheaply than Intel.

It does not matter how much bigger or smaller one CPU is.

What does count is bang per mm2 and total bang for all the mm2.

Without knowing actual performance this story does not give us a lot.

 

[KTM_RULZ]

Doesn't this mean less contact area between die and heat spreader? Also people are saying that the small nm process combined with small die size does not allow for the use of solder in Intel cpus. Will this be the case with Rysen cpus?

 

[AlienALX]

Doesn't this mean less contact area between die and heat spreader? Also people are saying that the small nm process combined with small die size does not allow for the use of solder in Intel cpus. Will this be the case with Rysen cpus?

Not sure. However, this will be an 8 core part so those should be soldered? as all of the Xeons I have had were.

I think with higher core counts and so on the die is larger so may hold up to being soldered better?

I guess we will find out soon enough though.

 

[AngryGoldfish]

I just read on Techpowerup that the new 7740K and 7640K won't have an iGPU.

 

[AlienALX]

I just read on Techpowerup that the new 7740K and 7640K won't have an iGPU.

Are these for the 299 socket?

If they are then I would not expect them to.

 

[AngryGoldfish]

Are these for the 299 socket?

If they are then I would not expect them to.

They've updated the article. I'll quote the update:

"Apparently these two chips are built in the new socket 2660 package, and will be launched around Gamescom, some time in August."

Here's the article:

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...codenamed-kaby-lake-x-112w-tdp-no-igp.230474/

 

[AlienALX]

Oh so they are 270 reissues then. That will no doubt be cheaper to compete with Ryzen.

Tell you man, if I just bought a CPU I would be gutted.

 

[AngryGoldfish]

Oh so they are 270 reissues then. That will no doubt be cheaper to compete with Ryzen.

Tell you man, if I just bought a CPU I would be gutted.

But they had it coming. I'm not usually the one to say that as I think it's harsh, but Kaby Lake was a minor improvement over Skylake and everyone knew that RyZen was not only coming but was highly competitive. It was either you had no choice, which would be highly unfortunate; impatience, which is likely; or you simply did not want to give AMD the time of day.

 

[Zoot]

If this is true, then it's damn good news for AMD.

 

[RobM]

But they had it coming. I'm not usually the one to say that as I think it's harsh, but Kaby Lake was a minor improvement over Skylake and everyone knew that RyZen was not only coming but was highly competitive. It was either you had no choice, which would be highly unfortunate; impatience, which is likely; or you simply did not want to give AMD the time of day.

pretty much spot on although one could argue that kaby was less than a minor upgrade given the heat issues one would probably be able to OC skylake to similar levels