AMD's reportedly launching three new Budget Oriented Ryzen 5000 series CPUs

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Zen 3's last hurrah will be great for budget PC builders.



Read more about AMD's rumoured budget-oriented Ryzen 5000 series CPU models.

 

[AlienALX]

Shame they took so long.

 

[ImprovizoR]

We needed this like, a year ago.

 

[Piskeante]

Retailers are scalping the prices masively. There is NOWAY you will see this prices go down noticeably.
So basically this news is like almost fake, since the price will not be accurate after scalping prices.

 

[AngryGoldfish]

Shame they took so long.

I understand why AMD didn't offer them at launch, but to allow Intel to take the budget crown was silly I think. Maybe they had logistical reasons for doing it, but if they could have offered cheaper parts and chose not to in order to retain this new image of 'high-end' that they have claimed, I think that was foolish.

 

[AlienALX]

I understand why AMD didn't offer them at launch, but to allow Intel to take the budget crown was silly I think. Maybe they had logistical reasons for doing it, but if they could have offered cheaper parts and chose not to in order to retain this new image of 'high-end' that they have claimed, I think that was foolish.

It wasn't just the budget crown Intel took. The 12700k and 12900k are also cheaper than their AMD counterparts and faster in gaming. The 12600k is the hands down choice for gamers, and I wouldn't really call that a budget CPU.

Unless you are using an AMD CPU as a workstation CPU (5900x and 5950x) then there really is no reason to buy anything from them right now. They did drop prices a tiny bit, but still nowhere near enough. They were all more expensive than the Intel counterparts when I upgraded.

Well, I think upgrade is a little misleading here. I had a 3950x but wanted better gaming performance so I sacrificed cores. However, I would have been perfectly willing to drop to a 5900x but it was £80 more than the 12700k.

So instead I moved that into another rig and went Intel. And it was a pain in the balls, but if AMD were not even going to try and compete to keep me? then screw them.

It's almost like there's some sort of conspiracy between these companies sometimes. Every time they get the chance to perform a death blow they back off a bit and don't.

Intel did very well with the 12 series. However, if AMD had been aggressive and dropped prices immediately? then no one could have really said it was worth going Intel.

 

[Dawelio]

Although you gotta keep in mind that the 12th gen hasn't been out for as long as Zen 3 has and how long does one keep a CPU? Years...

For a long time AMD dominated anything that Intel had, only recently that Intel came back with their hot running 12th gen, that is basically only fully utilized on Windows 11, that is a trainwreck still and most of the world is still on Windows 10.

Let's not forget AM4's amazing roadmap, which many people still has B550 or X470 boards and they can still today buy an 5000 series CPU and be up and running basically. With Intel you'd need a whole new platform essentially.

Hence I disagree with what you said Alien, I still think there are several reasons why to go AMD instead of Intel today.

 

[AlienALX]

Although you gotta keep in mind that the 12th gen hasn't been out for as long as Zen 3 has and how long does one keep a CPU? Years...

For a long time AMD dominated anything that Intel had, only recently that Intel came back with their hot running 12th gen, that is basically only fully utilized on Windows 11, that is a trainwreck still and most of the world is still on Windows 10.

Let's not forget AM4's amazing roadmap, which many people still has B550 or X470 boards and they can still today buy an 5000 series CPU and be up and running basically. With Intel you'd need a whole new platform essentially.

Hence I disagree with what you said Alien, I still think there are several reasons why to go AMD instead of Intel today.

If you are just gaming there is no reason to go AMD. Fact is Intel are faster at it.

They are also cheaper, providing you avoid DDR5.

The only two CPUs in the desktop space that AMD make that are worth buying now are the 5900x and 5950x. For anything else Intel are faster and cheaper.

Sure, if you have an older board that supports the 5000 series? then maybe it is worth paying more for less of a CPU by going AMD (say a 5600x or 5800x) however, it all depends on the spec list of your board.

It would have worked out cheaper for me to buy a 5900x. Obviously I would not have had to buy a new board. However, the board I had (X570 TUF) was not good enough. I paid £210 for that board, and it had two PCIE slots for NVME. On the flip side I paid £230 for a Z690 board that is superior in absolutely every single way, including the four NVME slots it has and the enormous heatsink. It also has far more USB ports and so on.

If you go back to an older board like X370 or X470? you will see the same problem. You are lucky to get one NVME slot, not more than one.

Which means if you want to run SATA drives? you are OK. In my case though? Not only do I not want to but I don't have anywhere to put them.

These are all of the things I had to consider before I bought anything. And as it turns out? it would have been crazy to spend the money on a 5900X (it was £450) and stick with the board I had because it was lacking. Also remember if you have a X370 or X470 you get no PCIE 4, which could prove critical if you are trying to build a budget rig and buy the only cheap GPU available right now (the 6500XT).

Alderlake is every bit as good as Ryzen. It's better in gaming. Sure, right now Intel can not compete at the top end with cores and threads, but when they shrink again they should solve that issue. Besides, unless you are literally desperate for cores and threads that only leaves two CPUs from AMD even worth considering. The 5900x and 5950x. Which cost far more than Intel's competing equivalent up to those stages.

 

[AngryGoldfish]

It wasn't just the budget crown Intel took. The 12700k and 12900k are also cheaper than their AMD counterparts and faster in gaming. The 12600k is the hands down choice for gamers, and I wouldn't really call that a budget CPU.

Unless you are using an AMD CPU as a workstation CPU (5900x and 5950x) then there really is no reason to buy anything from them right now. They did drop prices a tiny bit, but still nowhere near enough. They were all more expensive than the Intel counterparts when I upgraded.

Well, I think upgrade is a little misleading here. I had a 3950x but wanted better gaming performance so I sacrificed cores. However, I would have been perfectly willing to drop to a 5900x but it was £80 more than the 12700k.

So instead I moved that into another rig and went Intel. And it was a pain in the balls, but if AMD were not even going to try and compete to keep me? then screw them.

It's almost like there's some sort of conspiracy between these companies sometimes. Every time they get the chance to perform a death blow they back off a bit and don't.

Intel did very well with the 12 series. However, if AMD had been aggressive and dropped prices immediately? then no one could have really said it was worth going Intel.

I don't agree with you there. The 12600K is only 3% ahead of the 5600X in a 10-game total according to Techspot's review. To outright say... "If you are just gaming there is no reason to go AMD. Fact is Intel are faster at it." Or, "The 12600k is the hands down choice for gamers"... I think is a bit extreme.

I believe AMD are competing fine in the 12600K and above range, whether you're gaming alone, gaming plus multitasking, or just multitasking. Where AMD are not as competitive is the budget. AMD have very little to fight off the i3-12100 or i5-12400.

 

[Dawelio]

That may be true, although once again and a huge part of it, if you want to fully utilize the 12th gen architecture, with their E and P cores, you basically need Windows 11. Which most people haven't adopted yet and hence you're basically loosing out on performance that you paid for. AMD on the hand has had much more time to mature.

Sure, Intel may "facts" be the fastest CPU out there. But how much of that will you actually even notice in games? I highly doubt anyone actually sits and monitors their FPS to make sure that they are getting just that. Sure it may be X percentage faster than AMD, but no one cares about that when gaming, they just want to enjoy the game at the end of the day.

I surely don't and I have the 3700X, works just fine for my needs and I don't think that I'd be happier with an 12600K today, if having the choice to buy either. I'd be rather cautious seeing the reports coming from this generation etc.

Plus, a huge benefit of going AMD is that you don't need to purchase a 3rd party cooler for it. One comes included that does the job. With Intel? None of their CPUs come with one.

I'm not trying to start a fight here or being an AMD fanboy of any sort. I'm just trying to point out AMD's positive in relation to Intel. Both have their positives and negatives, although in grand scheme of things, I personally believe AMD has the slight advantage over Intel in this regard.

 

[AlienALX]

I don't agree with you there. The 12600K is only 3% ahead of the 5600X in a 10-game total according to Techspot's review. To outright say... "If you are just gaming there is no reason to go AMD. Fact is Intel are faster at it." Or, "The 12600k is the hands down choice for gamers"... I think is a bit extreme.

I believe AMD are competing fine in the 12600K and above range, whether you're gaming alone, gaming plus multitasking, or just multitasking. Where AMD are not as competitive is the budget. AMD have very little to fight off the i3-12100 or i5-12400.

I hadn't checked prices in a while. Today the 12600k is £260, whilst the 5600x has now dropped to £210.

Which does change things, yeah. I had no idea prices had dropped that much. I see the 5900x is now down to £410 too.

Which kinda begs the question why bother releasing more supposedly cheaper CPUs when you can just drop the prices of the ones out there

That said the 12600k is a much faster CPU.

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-12600K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-5600X/4120vs4084

So I guess with the performance it has the price has scaled up pretty much spot on. Looks like Intel need to drop their prices now

 

[KingNosser]

Intel caught up again, it wont stay that way.

I think for me if i was going to get a 12th gen the biggest turn off for me is the way the anti cheat and drm makes some games unplayable, idk if that has been fixed yet maybe it has but atm it'd be an issue for me.

My Ryzen 1700 is still doing everything fine with my 6800XT and while i want to upgrade need vs want is the key thing so i'm holding out longer than planned to see where the dust settles first.

DDR5 and AM5 might not be for me, so maybe 5700x AM4 but either way my x370 mobo will need replacing, thou that may change also.

Being honest and i am biased Intel isn't for me just too many years of stagnation for me to want to support them, end of the day i'm one person and they will be fine but i've not been able to shake that for some years now.

I don't really like the idea of big little, i'd much prefer the big cores only that way i get the same performance regardless of the work load having more cores being small just seems like a compromise to me.

I think everyone can fan boy over things at times, if you like it you like it, but everyone is different and has a different viewpoint, i'm as guilty as anyone over rdna2 in that respect while many love nvidia i'm just not one of them for lots of reasons.

hopefully when the new stuff hits later in the year prices will settle down and i can upgrade soon after and maybe be happy for a fair few years, if it doesnt then i'll just hold out longer as my 1700 is coping with everything and generally CPU's have a longer shelf life than GPU's do so no real need to rush onto a new platform.