AMD used an Intel CPU in Project Quantum

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It looks like AMD have used an Intel CPU in Project Quantum. Has AMD lost faith in their own CPUs?

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Read more on AMD using an Intel CPU in their project Morpheus Dual Fury X System here.
 
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Knew it, for duel gpus an how there crossfire works it was the smart thing to do at the moment, hopefully zen changes this
 
Well they did it say it was one of the most powerful consumer PCs so it immediately ruled out AMD FX :p
 
Let's be honest, it beats putting a 9590 in there and having to deal with the heat in such a small form factor, let alone either needing aftermarket chips or running two Furies at PCI-E Gen 2.0 still...
 
I'm a server guy rather than a gaming one but what's very clear is that Intel have been stronger in the areas that have traditionally made up CPU buying decisions for the best part of a decade.

We all know that for specific market segments AMD can be quite competitive but in general terms Intel rule the roost. Of course Intel need a broad competitor to stave off competition law implications which is how AMD continue to gain funding in a variety of ways. But I believe that if there was a significant third company in the x86 market - even one half the size of AMD - then that funding would dry up and AMD would be broken apart for its IP (probably by one of their biggest clients - by turnover if not profit - MS or Sony) - that's how weak they are as a going concern today.
 
The only ITX boards for AMD chips that I know of are for FM2 based APU/CPU. I doubt any of those will be able to power a FIJI based X2 card to its maximum potential. They could also choose to use Asrocks X99 itx board for maximum performance. Interesting to see this product going forward.
 
I can't see it going to market with an Intel cpu inside it, that would be pretty bad for AMD's image as a cpu manufacturer. Perhaps good for the consumer and a wise choice, but I doubt the MD of AMD would like it!

Imagine an "Intel Inside" badge next the the AMD badge ;P
 
I'd imagine once Zen is released, they'll be using it in here instead of Intel, but it's good that AMD swallowed their pride in order to give the consumers the best performance possible
 
I wonder if DX12 will help AMD's FX current lineup to better compete with Intel in gaming? Or at least a big enough boost to make them not totally irrevelant and will be undeniably the best budget cpu you can get with the 8-core variants. I have faith but I don't expect miracles. Zen can't come soon enough for AMD!
 
I wonder if DX12 will help AMD's FX current lineup to better compete with Intel in gaming? Or at least a big enough boost to make them not totally irrevelant and will be undeniably the best budget cpu you can get with the 8-core variants. I have faith but I don't expect miracles. Zen can't come soon enough for AMD!

This will happen as we've already seen with Mantle on the older FX CPUs.


Also, the title isn't right. You can't say that AMD has lost faith in their CPUs, they don't have a CPU currently that is able to either fit in the form factor or have enough power. Faith would be putting an 9590 in there and saying that the system is cool-quiet and can utilise the two gpus perfectly, something that technically doesn't sound right!
 
This will happen as we've already seen with Mantle on the older FX CPUs.


Also, the title isn't right. You can't say that AMD has lost faith in their CPUs, they don't have a CPU currently that is able to either fit in the form factor or have enough power. Faith would be putting an 9590 in there and saying that the system is cool-quiet and can utilise the two gpus perfectly, something that technically doesn't sound right!

Mantle didn't help much..

and that's not the title;) It's the heading;)
He also didn't say they did.. he was merely imposing a question of have they. They haven't since they are dedicated to Zen and having it turn things around. Now it's upto them to deliver on that faith.
 
I wonder if DX12 will help AMD's FX current lineup to better compete with Intel in gaming? Or at least a big enough boost to make them not totally irrevelant and will be undeniably the best budget cpu you can get with the 8-core variants. I have faith but I don't expect miracles. Zen can't come soon enough for AMD!
Sure, it will help in DX12 titles.
But until AMD add DX11 multi-threaded support to their drivers, they are going to be completely reliant on single-thread performance in currently existing games.

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Sure, it will help in DX12 titles.
But until AMD add DX11 multi-threaded support to their drivers, they are going to be completely reliant on single-thread performance in currently existing games.

No. We are talking about CPUs. Not GPUs. No clue what you are talking about with CPUs and Drivers.. GPUs don't use the multi thread or single threaded stuff. They just get the info from the CPUs. The multi/single threaded stuff is what causes the limitations seen with DX11. DX12 is almost entirely focused on the CPU not the GPU so what I was saying earlier was I wonder how much it would help amd's current FX lineup of CPUs and by how much, since DX12 is much much better with multithreading and better allocation of CPU time than DX11 and AMD's FX are very good with optimized multithreaded applications. Just remember the benefits you gain with FPS is because the CPU is being used more efficiently and can therefore better handle tasks and better at handing them off to the GPU to do more work quicker. It all stems from the CPU
 
I wonder if DX12 will help AMD's FX current lineup to better compete with Intel in gaming? Or at least a big enough boost to make them not totally irrevelant and will be undeniably the best budget cpu you can get with the 8-core variants. I have faith but I don't expect miracles. Zen can't come soon enough for AMD!

Would depend if the game is render-thread bound.
 
No. We are talking about CPUs. Not GPUs. No clue what you are talking about with CPUs and Drivers.. GPUs don't use the multi thread or single threaded stuff. They just get the info from the CPUs. The multi/single threaded stuff is what causes the limitations seen with DX11. DX12 is almost entirely focused on the CPU not the GPU so what I was saying earlier was I wonder how much it would help amd's current FX lineup of CPUs and by how much, since DX12 is much much better with multithreading and better allocation of CPU time than DX11 and AMD's FX are very good with optimized multithreaded applications. Just remember the benefits you gain with FPS is because the CPU is being used more efficiently and can therefore better handle tasks and better at handing them off to the GPU to do more work quicker. It all stems from the CPU
Draw calls are all about CPU performance.
One of the best examples of where draw calls matter is the view distance setting in games.
It doesn't matter if you have a Titan X or a Fury X, if you pair it with an inadequate CPU, your performance will plummet in many titles when you crank up the view distance because you're hitting the limit of how many draw calls your CPU can handle.
If you monitor CPU usage, you will usually see that you are probably at or near 100% CPU usage on a single core, while your GPU is well below 100% usage.
Reducing the draw distance would lower CPU usage, lifting that bottleneck, allowing your card to hit 100% GPU usage again and giving you higher framerates.
Or if you upgraded to a CPU with faster single-thread performance, you would also see the GPU usage and game performance increase.


NVIDIA's DX11 drivers are multi-threaded and see an increase of more than 2x the number of draw calls they can handle on a multi-core system. (1.25M to 2.75M draw calls)

AMD's DX11 drivers do not support multi-threading and see no performance benefit whatsoever.
Both the single-threaded and multi-threaded DX11 tests have basically identical performance. (1M draw calls)

However if you look at the DX12/Mantle test results, the 290X is actually outperforming the 980 by 30% or thereabouts. (20M vs 15M draw calls)
So it's not that the card is slower, it's that their DX11 drivers are holding it back by being both less optimized, and by not supporting multi-threaded DX11 instructions.


If we assume that DX12 is hitting the limit of what both cards can do, single-threaded DX11 performance on the 290X would be around 1.6M draw calls if it was as optimized as NVIDIA's drivers, and adding multi-threaded DX11 support on top of that could have pushed that number above 3.5M draw calls in the multi-threaded test.

But with the current state of AMD's DX11 drivers being single-threaded, the only way to get good performance with AMD cards running DX11 titles is to brute-force it with strong single-threaded CPU performance, and that's where Intel is currently leading.
AMD's CPUs are more focused on having lots of weaker cores, than fewer strong ones.

DX12/Mantle/Vulkan should bring huge performance improvements to AMD cards when paired with AMD CPUs, since that will be the first time their drivers take advantage of all those cores.

But many game operations can't really be multi-threaded at all, so single-thread performance is always going to remain very important - even with DX12/Mantle/Vulkan.


Zen might hit the right balance between the number of cores and per-core performance for gaming in DX12/Vulkan at the typical enthusiast price-point (around £200) because I suspect you'll be getting a 6/8 core Zen CPU for the cost of a quad-core CPU from Intel, and DX12/Vulkan definitely benefits from having more than 4 cores.
But single-threaded performance is always going to matter for anything prior to DX12--especially with an AMD GPU--and I suspect that you'll still want to go with an Intel chip for that.
 
Well that is not much of a shocker. Their cpus are horribly dated and just can't compete with Intel thus it would have to be an Intel CPU if they wanted to claim it was super powerful. Plus I wouldn't be surprised if their cpus would bottleneck from two fiji gpus therefore they would have to go with Intel.
 
No clue why you went off on a GPU tangent...:confused:
Did you even read my post?

GPU performance is often limited by your CPU.
AMD's drivers do not support multi-threaded instructions with DX11, so single-core performance is the only thing which matters with AMD GPUs in current games.

Intel CPUs are significantly ahead of AMD CPUs when it comes to per-core performance.
So if they want to actually show off how fast their new Dual Fury X card is, they have to pair it with an Intel CPU to avoid bottlenecking it.
 
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