AMD Tests Zen CPUs, "Met All Expectation" with no "Significant Bottlenecks" found

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AMD Tests Zen CPUs, "Met All Expectation" with no "Significant Bottlenecks" found

AMD has reportedly tested their Zen CPUs, saying that the design has "Met All Expectation" with no "Significant Bottlenecks". Will Zen finally make AMD competitive with Intel again!

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40% more instructions per clock is something i need numbers for.. it makes no sense how it can do 40% more work in a single clock.

3.0Ghz single core no ht can do 3 thousand million operations a second. which is its clock speed. But the base measurement is still 1hz and i don't see how it can do 1.4 operations in a 1hz cycle without turnicating data which would leave that .4 useless any way and would get discarded then it all gets loaded up on the 2nd cycle, hyper threading is one thing, atleast then you are getting 2 opperations per 1hz (if possible) but 40% makes no sense at all.:confused:

(obviously we arent just talking 1-2 hz here but 3 thousand million of them per clock. but you are still going to be left with 60% of the workload needed to be processed the next clock cycle to complete the work load of the 1st cycle, so it wouldnt even be added to the 1st cycle at all and would just be done on the 2nd cycle instead)

maybe im missing something?
but the only way it makes any sense at all is if Clock speeds are 40% faster. so its 4.2ghz instead of 3.0ghz (or whatever +40% of 3.0 is) but then that's not 40% more instructions. that's 40% faster clock speed.
 
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I really hope that AMD pulls through with this one. We need them to, especially seeing how Intel is really bumping up prices..
 
I really hope that AMD pulls through with this one. We need them to, especially seeing how Intel is really bumping up prices..

Yeah, Skylake prices have gotten insane, now my £290 6700K looks like a bargain.
 
a lowly second hand 3770k now is more expensive than a 4th gen i7 lol..
I knew i should have just bought a 3770k instead of a 2500k..

it really confuses me why the 3770k is so expensive though.
 
40% more instructions per clock is something i need numbers for.. it makes no sense how it can do 40% more work in a single clock.

3.0Ghz single core no ht can do 3 thousand million operations a second. which is its clock speed. But the base measurement is still 1hz and i don't see how it can do 1.4 operations in a 1hz cycle without turnicating data which would leave that .4 useless any way and would get discarded then it all gets loaded up on the 2nd cycle, hyper threading is one thing, atleast then you are getting 2 opperations per 1hz (if possible) but 40% makes no sense at all.:confused:

(obviously we arent just talking 1-2 hz here but 3 thousand million of them per clock. but you are still going to be left with 60% of the workload needed to be processed the next clock cycle to complete the work load of the 1st cycle, so it wouldnt even be added to the 1st cycle at all and would just be done on the 2nd cycle instead)

maybe im missing something?
but the only way it makes any sense at all is if Clock speeds are 40% faster. so its 4.2ghz instead of 3.0ghz (or whatever +40% of 3.0 is) but then that's not 40% more instructions. that's 40% faster clock speed.

no no no no no no

no operation takes only one clock cycle, what they do to increase performance per clock is reduce the number of clocks needed to perform one operation, if you reduce an op from 6 clocks to 4, for example, that is a 33% ipc improvement

note: this is obviously still very simplified as you have to account for branch prediction/pipelining etc but should give you the gist of what is going
 
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Great. Now it only has to meet customer expectations.

That's impossible tbh.

I've no doubt they will be very decent CPUs at decent prices but I'm under no illusions whatsoever.

However that doesn't mean it'll all be bad news. They just need to be the right price.
 
The only thing that matters in the enthusiast market is that they get a new socket and some good manufacturers behind them. Performance, price, strengths and weaknesses don't matter when every single motherboard is a turd, there are practically no mATX offerings and the ITX look ancient.

JR
 
The only thing that matters in the enthusiast market is that they get a new socket and some good manufacturers behind them. Performance, price, strengths and weaknesses don't matter when every single motherboard is a turd, there are practically no mATX offerings and the ITX look ancient.

JR

I spoke to Asrock a while back and asked why they did not make any ITX boards for AM3+

She said it was simply down to the fact that they had no onboard GPU, so you had to use a dedicated GPU.

Makes sense really.. I think the answer to that question now though is that Zen is an APU, not just a CPU.

I'm just hoping it doesn't need ridiculous phases, or ITX boards could again be skipped.

Overall though I'm very hopeful for Zen. I can't see it beating Haswell-E but as I said in my previous post it's all about the price really. It was a close battle between the original Athlons and the P3s, but the Athlon was about 40% less in price lol.

Intel got battered.
 
Yeah, Skylake prices have gotten insane, now my £290 6700K looks like a bargain.

This is why I got a 5820K..Got that for £260 new. Anyway moving on.

I'd be interested to see what AMD's expectations were. Their expectations and the consumers are often 2 different things.
 
I spoke to Asrock a while back and asked why they did not make any ITX boards for AM3+

She said it was simply down to the fact that they had no onboard GPU, so you had to use a dedicated GPU.

Makes sense really.. I think the answer to that question now though is that Zen is an APU, not just a CPU.

I'm just hoping it doesn't need ridiculous phases, or ITX boards could again be skipped.

Overall though I'm very hopeful for Zen. I can't see it beating Haswell-E but as I said in my previous post it's all about the price really. It was a close battle between the original Athlons and the P3s, but the Athlon was about 40% less in price lol.

Intel got battered.

They can't exactly put so much work into the Fury's and then shoot ITX in the foot, because right now they look like total idiots using Intel products in all of their promotional builds.

Clearly the whole APU argument is irrelevant for high tier products, otherwise why would they put so much effort into developing 170mm cards if not for ITX.


They should be cunning and hype DTX to one of their motherboard partners and get straight into a niche Intel can't touch for a while. Optimize a chip for CF and put out a single slot Fury Nano. Obviously they won't as they are just a PR disaster with no skills in delivering a complete solution despite doing a good job with what they develop.

JR
 
How would you cool such a thing?AIO's aren't very practical for true SFF builds, far too bulky.

An adequate pump would be tiny, you could package one into 20mm if you were designing everything else around it, the block is clearly possible as EK/Aqua-computer managed it. You could always move the pump to the radiator to save some cost. It would present some problems but it's definitely achievable.

JR
 
An adequate pump would be tiny, you could package one into 20mm if you were designing everything else around it, the block is clearly possible as EK/Aqua-computer managed it. You could always move the pump to the radiator to save some cost. It would present some problems but it's definitely achievable.

JR

I agree with the pump/block however the issue I see is the radiator/fan, finding 50x120x120mm in a truly SFF build is extremely difficult for most of the really small cases for which such an item would actually be useful, especially when you consider space required for CPU cooling, sure most of the most popular mitx cases could accommodate it but there also pretty large in comparison to the really small stuff. I personally can't see the use case, it would certainly look pretty cool and be an interesting item to engineer but how much more useful would it be over the already niche Fury Nano?
 
That's impossible tbh.
Realistic expectations. Meaning that it can compete with Intel at a lower price point. That's it. Of course it will never meet unrealistic expectations of people who want Zen to be fueled by souls of our ancestors or something like that.
 
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Realistic expectations. Meaning that it can compete with Intel at a lower price point. That's it. Of course it will never meet unrealistic expectations of people who want Zen to be fueled by souls of our ancestors or some like that.

People don't have realistic expectations, though.

I knew Fury X would not be faster than a Titan X. I was proven right. However, I did remember that whilst it could not beat the 980ti or Titan X that didn't mean it was a rotter. Yet, that's the general consensus. AMD failed, Fury stinks.

And it will probably be the same with Zen. No matter how good it is it probably won't beat Haswell-E and thus will be a failure.

Not many people are realistic in the world of computing.
 
And it will probably be the same with Zen. No matter how good it is it probably won't beat Haswell-E and thus will be a failure.

Exactly this. I'd be suprised if it beats a 5930k. That said, if they get a cpu that beats the quad core i7 for the price of the unlocked i5 they'll do very well IMO. Especially with the prebuild market.
 
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