AMD starting to piss me off..

[xnax2802]

Hi there,

I've just recieved my new Sabertooth to replace the faulty Crosshair V I had, but I've run into another problem.. The full story is as follows:

I ordered an 1100T along with a Crosshair V Formula, 8GB of HyperX Genesis RAM and a Corsair AX650 V2.. The CPU turns out to be dead on arrival and I get it RMA'ed.. When I then install the new (working CPU), the motherboard won't find the RAM, so I get a new motherboard, since the chance of it not being covered by the warranty would cost me close to two new boards..

So get the sabertooth and install it in my case, but when I get to moving the CPU, the heatsink just rips the CPU out of the socket and bends the end row of pins a tiny bit, while bending one pin in another end row almost 45 degrees.. At first I'm like "fuckfuckfuckfuckfuck" but I calm myself down and get the CPU loosened by using a blow dryer, and the severely bent pin straightened up using a small screwdriver and some anti-static as sort of a glove.. Anyway, I get the thermal paste refreshed and put the CPU into the Sabertooth, but when I attempt to get the heatsink intalled, it wont snap onto the board, and the CPU gets ripped out several times before I finally get it fitted, but then I think the fatality got played.. It's as if the CPU gets pushed slightly out of socket and snaps in again when i tightened the heatsink.. Now the board is telling me that the CPU malfunctions (of course) and I'm looking to get a new one, but the 1100T and 1090T apparently aren't sold in my country anymore, and I really don't know anything about the new FX series, so I'm sort of lost here..

So it's either to continue running AMD and sparing the cost of a new motherboard:

Phenom II's i can get a hold of (only going for the quad and hex Black Editions):

X6 1045T £106~

X4 980 £140~

X4 975 £127~

X4 970 £123~

FX's I can get a hold of:

8120 £167~

6100 £116~

4100 £93~

Or get a new motherboard (please give me some options, if you want me to take this one) with a 2500K (£174) on it OR saying "fuck it" and buying a whole new pre-built system with a 2500K and a GTX560Ti on a Gigabyte Z68X-UD4 in a CM Enforcer (all the other components included too, obviously) for £876~

Huge amounts of thanks in advance

 

[ionicle]

go for bulldozer, just get a different cpu cooler, that sounds like its the issue

 

[Fez]

Personally mate i would swap for a 2500k as they are good bang for buck at the moment and will be able to do anything you want.

 

[Nculver]

Hi there,

I've just recieved my new Sabertooth to replace the faulty Crosshair V I had, but I've run into another problem.. The full story is as follows:

I ordered an 1100T along with a Crosshair V Formula, 8GB of HyperX Genesis RAM and a Corsair AX650 V2.. The CPU turns out to be dead on arrival and I get it RMA'ed.. When I then install the new (working CPU), the motherboard won't find the RAM, so I get a new motherboard, since the chance of it not being covered by the warranty would cost me close to two new boards..

So get the sabertooth and install it in my case, but when I get to moving the CPU, the heatsink just rips the CPU out of the socket and bends the end row of pins a tiny bit, while bending one pin in another end row almost 45 degrees.. At first I'm like "fuckfuckfuckfuckfuck" but I calm myself down and get the CPU loosened by using a blow dryer, and the severely bent pin straightened up using a small screwdriver and some anti-static as sort of a glove.. Anyway, I get the thermal paste refreshed and put the CPU into the Sabertooth, but when I attempt to get the heatsink intalled, it wont snap onto the board, and the CPU gets ripped out several times before I finally get it fitted, but then I think the fatality got played.. It's as if the CPU gets pushed slightly out of socket and snaps in again when i tightened the heatsink.. Now the board is telling me that the CPU malfunctions (of course) and I'm looking to get a new one, but the 1100T and 1090T apparently aren't sold in my country anymore, and I really don't know anything about the new FX series, so I'm sort of lost here..

So it's either to continue running AMD and sparing the cost of a new motherboard:

Phenom II's i can get a hold of (only going for the quad and hex Black Editions):

X6 1045T £106~

X4 980 £140~

X4 975 £127~

X4 970 £123~

X4 960T £99~

FX's I can get a hold of:

8120 £167~

6100 £116~

4100 £93~

Or get a new motherboard (please give me some options, if you want me to take this one) with a 2500K (£174) on it OR saying "fuck it" and buying a whole new pre-built system with a 2500K and a GTX560Ti on a Gigabyte Z68X-UD4 in a CM Enforcer (all the other components included too, obviously) for £876~

Huge amounts of thanks in advance

Ive ripped my 1100t out of the socket multiple times using my D14, and i have developed a few tricks for getting the cpu cooler off without pulling the CPU along with it.

1.)I run prime for 15 mins before i take the cooler off, this makes sure that the thermal paste is not acting like crazy glue and ore cement. By making sure the Thermal paste is warm it also becomes much softer.

2.)When you place the CPU cooler over the CPU it acts like a vacuum, it squeezes out all the air and suction cups itself to the cpu. If you twist and turn the cooler as you remove it you can reduce this effect in my experience.

3.) Go slowly and take your time, if you just give it one big tug its most likely going to rip the CPU out.

Now i know this may not help right now, but just for future reference i thought i might post this.

And also getting a used 1090t is a good option as long as you do not bend any of the pins. If used is not an option then the 8120 is not a bad cpu as long as you are using it for highly threaded applications.

 

[KING_OF_SAND]

I almost ALWAYS rip the CPU out when pulling off the cooler. My method to take a cooler off is not to wiggle it around or find crazy methods. I just pull the CPU cooler straight out and I have never bent a pin.

 

[Nculver]

I almost ALWAYS rip the CPU out when pulling off the cooler. My method to take a cooler off is not to wiggle it around or find crazy methods. I just pull the CPU cooler straight out and I have never bent a pin.

LIKE A BOSS.

 

[Stryker64]

Personally I think AMD should skip the backward compatibility for one generation to move from PGA to LGA. Because it's harder to rip the CPU out if it uses a LGA socket, and if you do you won't pull out or bend any pins.

 

[xnax2802]

Sooo, the general opinion is that I should spend the extra money on an 1155 board and go for a 2500K? Any suggestions as to what board I should get, then? I'm not on an unlimited budget, so I like the bang for buck things

Edit: Maybe the Sabertooth P67? (goes for about £145)

Edit 2: I've been hovering the web a bit and I found out that the Gigabyte GA-Z68X-UD3H-B3 is pretty cheap (£110~), but is it any good? I've been without my main rig for 4 months, so I'm starting to get pretty desperate for something I can play around with, and something that can run the big games without huge compromises in graphics and such..

 

[ionicle]

i still think a bulldozer system is the better option

 

[xnax2802]

i still think a bulldozer system is the better option

Since the 4100 has a higher stock clock and is cheaper, would you it's the best choice then? I was thinking about getting the CM Hyper 212 Evo for cooling, since Tom didn't chop it to peaces and ate it in his review; but on the contrary gave it the "value for money" award

 

[Nculver]

The 4100 is a much slower than a 2500K, you need to get the 8120 if you want similar performance, and even then it will be slower in single threaded applications? Are you going to be gaming? Cus then the 8120 will be fine, but not as fast as a 2500k. The issue with the 2500k is that you would need a new mobo, and personally the i5 is not going to be worth the extra cost of the motherboard imo. Bulldozer is not great, but if you already have a am3+ system its not a terrible route to go. You just shouldn't run out now and buy an am3+ system.

 

[xnax2802]

Yes, gaming will be the primary use of this rig.. I was just thinking that the 4100 has a higher stock clock than the two others and is a lot cheaper than the 8120.. What about the 6100, then? Is that not worth it either?

 

[ionicle]

I have the quad core and its great, the octocore will be even better...

 

[Zaim]

Yes, gaming will be the primary use of this rig.. I was just thinking that the 4100 has a higher stock clock than the two others and is a lot cheaper than the 8120.. What about the 6100, then? Is that not worth it either?

Tbh mate just go for a 1155 board and a 2500K, you won't regret it, I wouldn't touch any current AMD processor with a bargepole.

 

[Nculver]

Tbh mate just go for a 1155 board and a 2500K, you won't regret it, I wouldn't touch any current AMD processor with a bargepole.

Why? I mean if you already have an AM3+ board there is no real reason to sping for a 2500k. I mean its a great chip, and if someone was starting from scratch it would be the obvious choice, but he wont notice much of a difference in games between the two. As for why not the 4100, its because the way that the chip is structured, it has 4 cores, but they share resources on the chip, creating a chip with 2 modules. in reality each module is about equal to one intel core. This is why single threaded performance is so bad, its really only using half of a module, even if technically its still one core.

Anyways most games can use 2 or 4 cores, which minimize the effects of such poor single threaded applications, even though it will still be slower than a i5. its just its not 33 percent slower than the i5 in games, even though an i5 and a new board would be 33 percent more expensive (if you get a 120 dollar motherboard. So the 8120 with its 8 cores will be a similar chip in performance to a 2500k, and it has decent overclocking performance. If you did not have the AM3+ mobo, then the 2500k for sure. But i just do not see the i5 as being 120-150 bucks better or so.

 

[S_I_N]

AMD starting to piss me off..

took long enough lol for me it was mid last year maybe earlier. I saw the writing on the wall. Even though they came out with a good gpu this time I think its just breathing a bit of life back into them til Nvidia and Intel slam down the hammer. But thats just my opinion. I went 1155 last year and all i can say is OMFG!!!! The difference is night and day. benchmarks can only tell you part of the story.

 

[KING_OF_SAND]

Gaming performance you will see virtually no performance gains going to an Intel chip. Games do not use hyperthreading so it comes down to whoever has the most cores and the higher clock.

 

[xnax2802]

Ok, so the 8120 would definately be the best choice, but the 6100 is so much cheaper and still has 6 cores, so to me that sounds like a cheap but golden middle road.. Am I all wrong in saying that, or..??

 

[Nculver]

Ok, so the 8120 would definately be the best choice, but the 6100 is so much cheaper and still has 6 cores, so to me that sounds like a cheap but golden middle road.. Am I all wrong in saying that, or..??

It will work, and it will work damn well if you overclock it. I was just saying its not as fast as the i5 2500k, its not even in the same bracket. but then again the i5 2500k can be excessive for most games.

But for me I would fork over the extra cash and get the 8 core, i mean if you are going bulldozer, at least go all out.

 

[xnax2802]

How well does the 8120 OC? Is it easy to get it up to about 4GHz, and is it stable enough for 24/7 use?