AMD Ryzen Retest 1500x 1600x 1800x Review

[tinytomlogan]

As the Zen architecture has rapidly matured we've had a lot of calls to retest the Ryzen CPUs, so that's what we've done.


AMD Ryzen Retest 1500x 1600x 1800x Review

 

[GiantKiwi]

And yet even on that BIOS i'm having to RMA my stuff again. USB controller's gone completely bananas, often refusing to recognise any devices past the first 30 minutes of the machine being switch on, i've never got any QVL memory kit to clock at all on this motherboard, regardless of whether they're hynix or samsung based or either an even/odd CAS. I'd say it's luck of the draw as i've had 6 of this motherboard, none working as described.

 

[RyzenMaster]

So, these benches confuse me. Why am I getting similar or higher scores with my 1700 @ 3.875 GHZ and Mem @ 3066mhz? Not complaining about your review, mind you, I'm just curious.

Thanks for the quality review. You're the Best TTL

 

[MacLeod]

Thanks for the review. Not many re-test articles out there. Interesting results too. Lots of people were saying immature BIOS is what was holding Ryzen back for a while. I was one that was kinda hoping that was true so the gaming performance would improve some but glad to know Ryzen is what it is.

 

[NeverBackDown]

Thanks for the review. Not many re-test articles out there. Interesting results too. Lots of people were saying immature BIOS is what was holding Ryzen back for a while. I was one that was kinda hoping that was true so the gaming performance would improve some but glad to know Ryzen is what it is.

It did improve. Don't take these results as definitive. It's only 3 games. Not saying his are wrong but you'd have to test a bunch to get an answer. I'm sure it's nothing drastic but improvements all around are there. Should check WYP article on his recent memory tests. You see pretty noticeable gains.

 

[AngryGoldfish]

Thanks a lot for taking the time to retest these.

 

[Avet]

Thanks Tom. It is nice that you keep everything up to date. And i so much love your setup in the background for this video.

 

[MacLeod]

It did improve. Don't take these results as definitive. It's only 3 games. Not saying his are wrong but you'd have to test a bunch to get an answer. I'm sure it's nothing drastic but improvements all around are there. Should check WYP article on his recent memory tests. You see pretty noticeable gains.

Yeah it is an improvement and any improvement is good but it's only ~5% if my math is correct (and it's usually not) which I'd still gladly take but it's not the 20-30% that a lot of people, even me I guess, were expecting. LOL

I think a lot of it was wishful thinking on part of AMD fans like me who were disappointed with the gaming performance of Ryzen and hoping it was just a matter of programming not caught up to Ryzen yet. Kinda like the way we were thinking back when Bulldozer came out. Just wait til Microsoft optimises Windows better then my 8150 will really shine.

 

[Avet]

Yeah it is an improvement and any improvement is good but it's only ~5% if my math is correct (and it's usually not) which I'd still gladly take but it's not the 20-30% that a lot of people, even me I guess, were expecting. LOL

I think a lot of it was wishful thinking on part of AMD fans like me who were disappointed with the gaming performance of Ryzen and hoping it was just a matter of programming not caught up to Ryzen yet. Kinda like the way we were thinking back when Bulldozer came out. Just wait til Microsoft optimises Windows better then my 8150 will really shine.

I don't think programming has anything to do with that. Intel released Skylake X wich also has a type of "infinity fabric" and they smash. Yes Ryzen is good in dead multithreading like Video render, but Music production test show some kind of latency inside Ryzen architecture, making Ryzen for realitme tasks (gaming, music production, and similar) just not at pair with Intel.

Don't get me wrong. Ryzen is good. Epicly priced, more than average user will ever need. Intel is better than Ryzen, that is a fact, but it isn't better as much as it is expensive. If i play double the price do i get double the performance... no... not even 50% and that makes Ryzen very good. They are back, and that has everyone scared. That is what we needed. I hope they keep on improving and that Zen 2 actually can beat blue boys.

 

[NeverBackDown]

I don't think programming has anything to do with that. Intel released Skylake X wich also has a type of "infinity fabric" and they smash. Yes Ryzen is good in dead multithreading like Video render, but Music production test show some kind of latency inside Ryzen architecture, making Ryzen for realitme tasks (gaming, music production, and similar) just not at pair with Intel.

Don't get me wrong. Ryzen is good. Epicly priced, more than average user will ever need. Intel is better than Ryzen, that is a fact, but it isn't better as much as it is expensive. If i play double the price do i get double the performance... no... not even 50% and that makes Ryzen very good. They are back, and that has everyone scared. That is what we needed. I hope they keep on improving and that Zen 2 actually can beat blue boys.

Intel's new inner cpu communication has nothing to do with infinity fabric. It's just a marketing thing and doesn't effect performance in games. It's still an Intel architecture and therefore already has the optimization. AMD is a brand new architecture with hardly any software support. They are basically starting from scratch. That is the reason why Intel's new crap they released is running fast/as fast. Whereas AMD needs extra support to get it up and going.
Look at RotR. It get a Ryzen update and gets basically 10FPS more according to the article and previous ones as well. That's a large large increase. We haven't had many games do that yet. TW Warhammer got 1 patch but it barely did anything. It basically just made sure the threads were getting fed in a correct order and nothing more. We got performance uplift but it wasn't near anything RotR got. This is die to the fact that the Warhammer engine is poorly multi thread friendly. But to my point, Intel already has software support. AMD doesn't. Hence the interest in people's curiosity of how well it has come along.

 

[Excalabur50]

Thanks for doing all the retesting and it's good to see some performance gains since release and i think the gains will bode well for Threadripper and the R3 when they come out too

 

[tinytomlogan]

Need to keep in mind we have not changed our testing to sway results - because we use the same tests every time we have not added a bunch of tests that we knew had had massive increases.

We can only report on the results we have.

Also something else that sways some of the numbers is the fact we used retail CPU's and dropped that 100MHz on the max overclock. These numbers are more real world though and the fact the slower ones are so close to the old OC ones does say a fair bit.

The optimisations havnt been massive beyond memory tbh but then that was such a clusterfaff at launch Id have been amazed if it didnt change.

 

[Korreborg]

But don't you need to make a reference test. Both Intel and AMD together.
If an update to a game gives 10FPS boost to Ryzen it looks amazing, but if it does the same to Intel, then its still cool, but nothing special?

 

[tinytomlogan]

But don't you need to make a reference test. Both Intel and AMD together.
If an update to a game gives 10FPS boost to Ryzen it looks amazing, but if it does the same to Intel, then its still cool, but nothing special?

Its an AMD retest not an Intel retest. I cant retest everything, this testing alone took best part of a week including several late nights.

 

[Korreborg]

Its an AMD retest not an Intel retest. I cant retest everything, this testing alone took best part of a week including several late nights.

I know it would take for EVER It was more an idea for a nother video. A difference retest. Is Ryzen catching up, or is Intel also moving forward

 

[Wraith]

I know it would take for EVER It was more an idea for a nother video. A difference retest. Is Ryzen catching up, or is Intel also moving forward

You can always just cross reference the graphs with Intel stuff. They are all on the site.

 

[Korreborg]

You can always just cross reference the graphs with Intel stuff. They are all on the site.

My point was. 8 core Intel vs 8 core AMD
Then test a game before and after an update. This will show if the game is getting better with ryzen, og better overall.
But let's stop the dissusion, was just an idea

 

[Avet]

Intel's new inner cpu communication has nothing to do with infinity fabric. It's just a marketing thing and doesn't effect performance in games. It's still an Intel architecture and therefore already has the optimization. AMD is a brand new architecture with hardly any software support. They are basically starting from scratch. That is the reason why Intel's new crap they released is running fast/as fast. Whereas AMD needs extra support to get it up and going.
Look at RotR. It get a Ryzen update and gets basically 10FPS more according to the article and previous ones as well. That's a large large increase. We haven't had many games do that yet. TW Warhammer got 1 patch but it barely did anything. It basically just made sure the threads were getting fed in a correct order and nothing more. We got performance uplift but it wasn't near anything RotR got. This is die to the fact that the Warhammer engine is poorly multi thread friendly. But to my point, Intel already has software support. AMD doesn't. Hence the interest in people's curiosity of how well it has come along.

There is a sense in what you say. I don't think all Ryzen "problems" are just software optimizations. There is something that is causing latency in realtime tasks. In some cases it can be overcomed with software update. That is why i am so excited about Zen2, because i think they can iron out all those things.

 

[Terre]

Looking at the CPU-Z screen grabs.

Interesting to see that the tRC timings had not been adjusted from the default 78.

Thanks for doing the retest, it's interesting to see how things have or have not changed over the months.

 

[AlienALX]

Kudos for having another look. Quality !