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Unless they put the X300 chip in the mATX boards like they're doing for the ITX boards, I am also very disappointed with the lack of mATX form factors.

As for the pricing, I doubt I'll be buying from the UK. If OCUK charges £250 for the Crosshair, Mind Factory in Germany or any large German retailer will be charging €265-270, a significant reduction when currency exchange is processed. Buying from Germany is a lot cheaper than buying from the UK at the moment if Euro is your main currency, and it was a lot worse before the UK left the EU. Five to ten years ago, £250 would be €300. Then when the USD increased and the EURO dropped even further a few years ago, £250 shot up to €350 or more. Now since the UK left the EU it's back down to €300. That's great for me, but even with that it's still cheaper to buy from Germany and stay within the EU.

I agree, I think Biostar are the only manufacturer who have confimed to putting X370 into mATX. If you haven't seen my earlier posts, I've bit the bullet and gone for an ATX system again, just works out easier for things like this.

And that's fair, aren't there many PC retailers in Ireland? I don't blame you for buying from Germany especially since Ireland is EU. I've noticed that ever since the leave vote a lot of companies have started to really hike prices and use Brexit as the reason even though a lot are hiking prices higher than the value the £ lost against the €. But back on topic, I could sit and rant politics all day but here is not the right place
 
Right now it is all about high end. All 8 core, all more than £300 (not saying that's a bad thing but you are looking at a minimum £500 entry level). That's a lot of money.

So what do the board manus do? sell their most expensive boards first. That's just how it is going to go man. Yeah there are cheaper boards but the emphasis right now is on the dear stuff.

There are a couple of perfectly reasonable MATX boards out there. Gigabyte make a rather nice looking one with a heatsink on the VRM area so it's better than nothing.

Other stuff will follow later, but if you were waiting on ITX then you may have a long wait. I don't think you will see that until September when the APU comes out, and I have a feeling that the cheaper ITX boards will not overclock at all with a 7 series. Just like the Asrock X99 ITX board they will be severely limited on overclocking. Max I ever saw out of a 5820k was 4.2ghz on one of those boards but that was a golden chip that needed very low volts (and thus didn't overload the VRMs causing them to throttle).

Asus et al all know what they are doing and they know the market far better than we do. I've seen a couple of guys on each of the forums I frequent moaning about the lack of ITX boards but they are the minority.

For example some guy on OCUK this morning said "Sod it CBA waiting for the good MATX boards have ordered a Aorus and a new case".

The thing is that the Z270 mITX boards seem to be getting just as good overclocks as their ATX brethren. Given the low TDP's we're seeing with RyZen I'd hope the same to be possible on X300.

I've got a custom build (case and everything) in the works; my plan is to get an X300 mITX board that looks as good as the ASUS Z270i Strix and put an R5 1600X in it. The thing is that the whole project is designed around the mITX form factor; right now I could get really good performance out of an Intel build in it, but I'd be much, much happier with a RyZen chip. I really hope they haven't seriously messed up the SFF side of things as I'd rather not support Intel right now, however if it's the only way I'll get what I want then AMD will leave me no choice. I'm willing to give them as much of a chance as I can though.

I'll see what happens once the R5's are released and we've seen what the both the CPU's and X300 boards can actually do.
 
The thing is that the Z270 mITX boards seem to be getting just as good overclocks as their ATX brethren. Given the low TDP's we're seeing with RyZen I'd hope the same to be possible on X300.

It absolutely won't be. Have you ever ran a 8c 16t chip dude? as soon as you put it under load it gets really hot really quick and guzzles down voltage. My 8c 16t 3.2ghz Ivy does 130w stock.

It's absolutely nothing like a piddly 4 core 16t CPU. That's why Z270 is OK even with something paltry like 4 phases. Double that core count though? yeah, furnace.

Also. Today Gibbo posted saying that the only board that could do 3200+ on the memory was the Crosshair. Because it has 4 phases just for the memory.

The smaller boards are going to struggle. Not something many know a lot about because the 5960x pricing was a joke. But yeah, people were struggling to keep them at 4ghz when they launched and with my Xeon and 5820k I can see why.

I've got a custom build (case and everything) in the works; my plan is to get an X300 mITX board that looks as good as the ASUS Z270i Strix and put an R5 1600X in it. The thing is that the whole project is designed around the mITX form factor; right now I could get really good performance out of an Intel build in it, but I'd be much, much happier with a RyZen chip. I really hope they haven't seriously messed up the SFF side of things as I'd rather not support Intel right now, however if it's the only way I'll get what I want then AMD will leave me no choice. I'm willing to give them as much of a chance as I can though.

I'll see what happens once the R5's are released and we've seen what the both the CPU's and X300 boards can actually do.

The main problem with ITX right now is that Ryzen 7 has no iGPU. And to quote Asrock, when asked about why they never made a AM3+ ITX board "If there is no option for onboard graphics then any ITX board you make will automatically lose its only PCIE slot".

Which of course if you were building a pocket powerhouse gaming rig would be fine. However, most of the ITX audience don't want a GPU. They want the absolutely smallest rig they can make. With one of those tiny chassis that pretty much don't have the room for a GPU at all.

I would hazard a guess and say that if the ITX boards came out now loads of people would think they were faulty and return them. Remember, they are going to have HDMI/DVI on them for the APUs. So many would buy them, connect up a monitor and wonder why they have no display.

People are so used to Intel it's mad. In fact, many young PC builders have probably never even built an AMD rig.
 
It absolutely won't be. Have you ever ran a 8c 16t chip dude? as soon as you put it under load it gets really hot really quick and guzzles down voltage. My 8c 16t 3.2ghz Ivy does 130w stock.

It's absolutely nothing like a piddly 4 core 16t CPU. That's why Z270 is OK even with something paltry like 4 phases. Double that core count though? yeah, furnace.

Also. Today Gibbo posted saying that the only board that could do 3200+ on the memory was the Crosshair. Because it has 4 phases just for the memory.

The smaller boards are going to struggle. Not something many know a lot about because the 5960x pricing was a joke. But yeah, people were struggling to keep them at 4ghz when they launched and with my Xeon and 5820k I can see why.



The main problem with ITX right now is that Ryzen 7 has no iGPU. And to quote Asrock, when asked about why they never made a AM3+ ITX board "If there is no option for onboard graphics then any ITX board you make will automatically lose its only PCIE slot".

Which of course if you were building a pocket powerhouse gaming rig would be fine. However, most of the ITX audience don't want a GPU. They want the absolutely smallest rig they can make. With one of those tiny chassis that pretty much don't have the room for a GPU at all.

I would hazard a guess and say that if the ITX boards came out now loads of people would think they were faulty and return them. Remember, they are going to have HDMI/DVI on them for the APUs. So many would buy them, connect up a monitor and wonder why they have no display.

People are so used to Intel it's mad. In fact, many young PC builders have probably never even built an AMD rig.

Well there shows my inexperience with top-of the line hardware. I've only ever run 4-core systems. First an FX-4170 as my very first build, then a Xeon E3-1231 v3 in an SFF gaming system, and now an A10-6800k as I had to sell my old rig to pay for a new car and am simply using what I could get for free.

You make a fair point regarding consumer ignorance. I guess people are so used to having iGPU's now there would be huge backlash even though all the information is right there. I'm just one of those "pocket-powerhouse" kind of guys as I've always had the PC in the living room doubling as an HTPC so it's got to be as small as possible for the power I put into it.
 
Well there shows my inexperience with top-of the line hardware. I've only ever run 4-core systems. First an FX-4170 as my very first build, then a Xeon E3-1231 v3 in an SFF gaming system, and now an A10-6800k as I had to sell my old rig to pay for a new car and am simply using what I could get for free.

You make a fair point regarding consumer ignorance. I guess people are so used to having iGPU's now there would be huge backlash even though all the information is right there. I'm just one of those "pocket-powerhouse" kind of guys as I've always had the PC in the living room doubling as an HTPC so it's got to be as small as possible for the power I put into it.

Yeah once you start getting up to 8 cores with overclocking the power requirements are extreme. This is why Asus etc all make extreme motherboards costing hundreds of pounds. Which is why when you think about it even at the gouged price of £250 the Crosshair is actually quite cheap and good VFM when you consider it has an extra phase for the memory alone.

I would say it's a fact dude, if you buy an ITX board for Ryzen you will not be overclocking at all and your boosts may even be limited. There's only so much space on an ITX board, even with a daughterboard like Asus's Impact.

Maybe think about up-scaling your rig size if you want the extreme end.
 
Yeah once you start getting up to 8 cores with overclocking the power requirements are extreme. This is why Asus etc all make extreme motherboards costing hundreds of pounds. Which is why when you think about it even at the gouged price of £250 the Crosshair is actually quite cheap and good VFM when you consider it has an extra phase for the memory alone.

I would say it's a fact dude, if you buy an ITX board for Ryzen you will not be overclocking at all and your boosts may even be limited. There's only so much space on an ITX board, even with a daughterboard like Asus's Impact.

Maybe think about up-scaling your rig size if you want the extreme end.

Hmm. Definitely food for thought. Thank you. I'll go back to the drawing board and see if I can make the design work more efficiently within the spacial constraints to allow for an mATX, or even an ATX motherboard.
 
I agree, I think Biostar are the only manufacturer who have confimed to putting X370 into mATX. If you haven't seen my earlier posts, I've bit the bullet and gone for an ATX system again, just works out easier for things like this.

And that's fair, aren't there many PC retailers in Ireland? I don't blame you for buying from Germany especially since Ireland is EU. I've noticed that ever since the leave vote a lot of companies have started to really hike prices and use Brexit as the reason even though a lot are hiking prices higher than the value the £ lost against the €. But back on topic, I could sit and rant politics all day but here is not the right place

There are only a very small handful of retailers in Ireland. Most of the major ones are EU-based. Komplett is one of the big ones, but that's spread across Europe and shipments come from central Europe. Dabs was another popular one for Ireland that is now closed, but that was also not located in Ireland. The few dedicated Irish retailers are ridiculously expensive and rarely ever offer the parts I would want. They wouldn't have Phanteks or Thermaltake. It would be Corsair and ASUS and other major contenders, that's it. I buy Irish consumables like beer and food, but everything else is either too expensive or doesn't offer what I'm looking for. And the main reason I buy Irish consumables is because it's convenient and good quality, not because it's better value.
 
Just FYI guys, you may find this interesting.

So earlier today Scan put up a couple of overclocked PCs based on Ryzen. The model with the 1700 for example was overclocked by 100mhz over the rated speed. However, both of the other models (1700x and 1800x) were apprarently overclocked but by nothing. So for example the 1800x was "overclocked" to 4ghz, no higher than the rated speed of the CPU.

Ah, but here comes the kicker... Now the guy who told me this is under NDA so I had to squeeze him pretty hard, but according to him the Scan rigs *are* overclocked.

But how can that be? ah, I think I know the answer. Now he couldn't come right out and tell me but I have a really strong suspicion that AMD have pulled the Intel trick. IE - the 1800x isn't really 4ghz. The trick is that one core will boost to that speed, that is then the stated speed for the CPU. However, it's always wrong. My Xeon 2680 V2 is made and marketed as a 3.5ghz Ivybridge CPU. However, it only boosts to 3.2ghz over all 8 cores.

Apparently Scan have simply "overclocked" the CPUs so that all of the cores run at that speed.

This is probably why AMD have been a bit shady about it. Naughty tbh, very naughty.
 
That would be a shame. 4Ghz is a low and I think that could hurt their sales. I was hoping for 4.3Ghz overclocks on specific cores.
 
That would be a shame. 4Ghz is a low and I think that could hurt their sales. I was hoping for 4.3Ghz overclocks on specific cores.

No chance. Have also heard from 8 Pack, he says don't get too excited.

It's kinda like Fury X. They are chasing something, they desperately needed to catch it..

I could be wrong but I doubt it. I know 8 Pack isn't the most elegant when it comes to posting on forums but he's usually right.

Bottom line? use what you have seen already as your guide. Let's face it, it's bloody fast. However, I don't think it will go much faster.

Which isn't a problem IMO.

Edit. Said it before and will say it again. 1700 is the one to have. It's the enthusiast chip.

Edit 2. It's not like AMD have not done this before. They pulled the same stunt with the FX CPUs. Only the single core turbo was listed.
 
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