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AMD Ryzen Compatible A520 motherboards are now available to pre-order from ASUS
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well the lack of VRM heatsinks could further support the "no overclocking" theory about it.
Dawelio
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True, but using a high core count CPU, even at stock, may still be heavy for the VRM.
This is AMD remember, not intel. I would think stock temps would be extremely mediocre/gentle on the necessary heat dissipation. But who knows, maybe its cost cutting. Either way its got to be within acceptable limits or we would have a disaster launch coming.
AlienALX
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lol wut? clean your glasses.
Firstly you can't see all of the VRM. Secondly a dual slot GPU would cover one slot, leaving the last one clear. Though the mind boggles at exactly what you would want to put in a X1 slot other than a sound card or possibly WIFI card.
MATX boards are laid out like that. Some have two full length PCIE slots. The top X16 one, a space, then a second one. If you fit a triple slot GPU that is your lookout I guess.
All of that said you do realise the R9 3900 (not X, the OEM one that will be using boards like this) is only 65w.
Dawelio
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I don't have glasses, I've done LASEK surgery, thank you very much. You can take your sarcastic comment somewhere else.
I just go off all the videos I've seen of Buildzoid talking about VRMs etc and those look pretty much some of the worst ones he has commented on regarding the new B550 line up etc.
(What you may or may not think of him, that's your opinion and something that I don't really care about. Just FYI.)
True, but then, why would they even bother to put a X1 slot there anyway? If it is like you say, "the mind boggles at exactly what you would want to put in that slot"? Sounds kinda pointless doesn't it?
Not all mATX boards are laid out like that. Below you have a picture of the MSI MAG B550M MORTAR motherboard, doesn't have that space laid out and even if you use a graphics card, you will still be able to fully utilize the bottom slot.
And yes, seeing as most graphics cards today are 2.5 and even 2.7 slots thick, I think this is becoming more and more of an issue. Mostly only the reference/founder edition cards and some from AIB partners are dual slot.
All I'm saying is the spacing and slot decisions on the ASUS boards are odd, when they could of just have gone the same route as MSI have done:
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AlienALX
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That is exactly the same as the TUF, without the bottom full length slot. It's a £70 motherboard, dude. X16, X1, X1, X8?
Either way find me a use for all of those slots in a budget rig. Like I said, the two X1 are only good for sound or WLAN, because even fast NIC cards now are X4. So maybe you could fit a 5gbit LAN to that? but why would you in a budget rig? sounds kinda daft spending £70 on a board and then wanting to spend that or more on each NIC card and a 5gbit router etc.
Budget boards are just that. You put in a CPU and GPU and off you go.
Either way find me a use for all of those slots in a budget rig. Like I said, the two X1 are only good for sound or WLAN, because even fast NIC cards now are X4. So maybe you could fit a 5gbit LAN to that? but why would you in a budget rig? sounds kinda daft spending £70 on a board and then wanting to spend that or more on each NIC card and a 5gbit router etc.
Budget boards are just that. You put in a CPU and GPU and off you go.
Dawelio
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How can you say it's the same as the TUF? When the top x16 slot is clearly lower on the TUF board, hence covering most of the bottom slots with a GPU.
Budget board or not - still an odd layout to go with, since you won't be able to use the bottom slots if you have a graphics card installed. At that point, what's the point in having them?
AlienALX
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How can you say it's the same as the TUF? When the top x16 slot is clearly lower on the TUF board, hence covering most of the bottom slots with a GPU.
Budget board or not - still an odd layout to go with, since you won't be able to use the bottom slots if you have a graphics card installed. At that point, what's the point in having them?
Eh? are you smoking something today dude?
Yeah there is no "top slot near the IO". Look up. There's a M.2 there. Then we fit a GPU and what do you know? as I said, the bottom slot is perfectly usable, unless you fit some stupid behemoth triple slot GPU. Which again is out of context.
Again I reiterate, it is a budget board. As such why do you even care?
The layout is perfectly easy to understand. It is a budget board compatible with APUs and as such you wouldn't even have a GPU in there.
Would you like some cheese with your whine when you look at this budget board too?
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I think whats hes trying to say (or I assume so) that if you are stuck having to use a GPU why bother including the X1 slots since they are unusable anyway.
In my opinion, I see more people using this motherboard with an APU and/or a very dirt cheap GPU that takes up a single slot and a terribly noisy fan... if those GPUs even still exist today. No one is going to purchase this and shove a mainstream/high end video card in there. It doesnt make sense, so that part I agree.
AlienALX
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Because as he keeps failing to see they are not useless as only one would be blocked by a dual slot GPU. So that leaves one for, as I said a sound card or WIFI. Which let's face it you wouldn't be fitting. Why would you spend £70 on a board and then £50 on a sound card? you may as well buy a £130 board with much better spec.
Every single board I have, including my big old bastud X399 TR board has a slot blocked by a GPU unless you hoz mount a single slot water block. Only, nearly all good GPUs have a dual slot PCI bracket with crap on both sides that you wouldn't want to chop off (unless you're a div like Linus).
The LOLable part is that most use vertical GPUs now which block every slot lmfao.
Yeah. In a perfect world, GPU should be mounted flipped upside down, so not only are lower slots free from bulky cards, but we get to see the beautiful coolers/waterblocks instead of seeing the back side of a circuit board gathering dead skin particles
Speaking of that... if the coolers for the 3000 are anything to judge by, perhaps this is the Era of stupidly expensive dual side waterblocks! #droolandtakemymoneybitspower
AlienALX
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Yeah. In a perfect world, GPU should be mounted flipped upside down, so not only are lower slots free from bulky cards, but we get to see the beautiful coolers/waterblocks instead of seeing the back side of a circuit board gathering dead skin particles
Speaking of that... if the coolers for the 3000 are anything to judge by, perhaps this is the Era of stupidly expensive dual side waterblocks! #droolandtakemymoneybitspower
Yeah man we touched on that with the "leak". If Nvidia really have made this card proper weird then it's going to require some serious blockery
Which means we won't see any cheap ones. I remember a couple of instances in the past where companies made custom cards with the power sockets wired on like, loose wires. Meaning the block had to have a place to bolt them to to hold them. GTX 670? or possibly something around that era? suffice to say the knock off companies made none. Mostly because they were still sat scratching their heads when Bitspower released their block lol.
Then again "we won't see any cheap ones" kinda sums up the 3000 series pretty damn well
Edit. I remember now !!! it was the GTX 295 dual PCB. Fookin nutty thing that was !
Yeah man we touched on that with the "leak". If Nvidia really have made this card proper weird then it's going to require some serious blockery
Which means we won't see any cheap ones. I remember a couple of instances in the past where companies made custom cards with the power sockets wired on like, loose wires. Meaning the block had to have a place to bolt them to to hold them. GTX 670? or possibly something around that era? suffice to say the knock off companies made none. Mostly because they were still sat scratching their heads when Bitspower released their block lol.
Then again "we won't see any cheap ones" kinda sums up the 3000 series pretty damn well
Edit. I remember now !!! it was the GTX 295 dual PCB. Fookin nutty thing that was !
On a funny note, I remember seeing a GTX 295 for 4000kr (I guess £360 at the time) and laughed wondering who the hell would pay that much for one GPU. And hear I sit having forked out...£1300
AlienALX
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ATI had them in check that gen. The 4850 and 4890 (and 4850x2 and 4870x2) were good cards. In fact, they were ruddy cheap too. The 4850 was about £120 and the 4870 no more than £180. The 4890 launched for around £200, which when you consider the GTX 260 was about £250 (due to being a fat tank) that wasn't bad.
The 295 single PCB was a bloody good card tbh. Especially in its later years on stuff like Dirt 2 and Dirt 3. I had two at one point (though much later in their life.. Had a pair of 295 Classified from EVGA running Quad SLi).
But yeah, AMD is where it all went bad (just in the renaming). The 5000 ATI were fantastic, the 6000 not so much and it just got progressively worse from there.
290 was OK but boy was it hot. From there on end apart from Polaris it's been a bit of a s**t show tbh.
Dawelio
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Eh? are you smoking something today dude?
Yeah there is no "top slot near the IO". Look up. There's a M.2 there. Then we fit a GPU and what do you know? as I said, the bottom slot is perfectly usable, unless you fit some stupid behemoth triple slot GPU. Which again is out of context.
Again I reiterate, it is a budget board. As such why do you even care?
The layout is perfectly easy to understand. It is a budget board compatible with APUs and as such you wouldn't even have a GPU in there.
Would you like some cheese with your whine when you look at this budget board too?
Well I can see that we fail to understand each other, you don't seem to understand what I mean entirely. Which is fine though.
Oh on the other hand, it has nothing to do with the M.2 slot between the CPU and top PCI slot. The MSI board I picture previously has one too, yet that top slot is higher than the TUF one.
That last picture of yours is an mITX board, which is smaller and is more cramped than larger boards. So not entirely sure why you linked that one?...
Anywho, I'm off this thread.
AlienALX
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You said that fitting a GPU would block all of the sockets when clearly that is not the case. Can you see what I meant about getting your eyes tested now?
That was your complaint, and it was a silly one.
I posted the other one in case you wanted to complain about any other budget boards whilst you were at it.
