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Unexpected price drop? AMD's Ryzen 9000 series may be more affordable than expected.
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AMD Ryzen 9 9950X CPU listed with lower than expected pricing
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AngryGoldfish
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This would be pretty bold of AMD I'd say. They could charge the original prices and still sell, so if this is true they must have something big in mind, maybe either because they're concerned about Intel or because they want to crush Intel. Or maybe it's better segmentation with the later X3D parts.
AngryGoldfish
Old N Gold
How did you come to that conclusion? AMD isn't known for charging less than a previous generation if the product doesn't meet their expectations. RDNA3 didn't meet expectations yet was priced higher than its predecessor. What evidence do you have that they haven't reached their goals for Zen 5 other than your overly negative guess based on a rumoured listing price? Replaced by X3D? NBD explained in a different thread that the X3D chips are not better in a universal context. Some people don't need stacked cache. The X3D chips have been out for years yet people are still buying non-stacked CPUs all the time and having a great time.
AlienALX
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I have seen quite a few videos now where it was said the chips were disappointing.
I agree, usually I would expect no price drops only hikes. However, there is a reason why they are cheaper surely?
As for X3D not being better universally? I agree to that too. However, even if they are better at one thing then that means they are better, correct?
As in, if they are better at gaming (and they are) and you game on your PC (which most do) then surely it is better to have the chip that is better at gaming yes?
AMD have made it very awkward to use their desktop CPUs for much other than editing and gaming by removing a lot of lanes and so on. As such that limits their potential. As soon as they "won" with Threadripper (and I emphasise won as it was more of a slaughtering of Intel than just winning) they made sure that if you wanted it all you had to pay up big time, whereas the original TR were just extended products of Ryzen, priced accordlingly but contained tons of lanes and etc. As soon as they dropped the 3950x they changed all that, and you didn't get enough to make them viable for much more than basic desktop use (a la editing, gaming etc).
I could be wrong, and AMD could just be offering more for less but I am sure we can all agree that has not been their game of late has it? not at all. As soon as they got the lead core counts pretty much froze and have not progressed since (mmm, smells like Intel spirit).
Threadrippers now are prohibitively expensive as we know.
Time will tell I guess.
As a side note, though. I often wonder how successful AMD would have been with Ryzen had Intel not totally screwed up at every step. Like you know? would they have just remained the king of budget computing?
I agree, usually I would expect no price drops only hikes. However, there is a reason why they are cheaper surely?
As for X3D not being better universally? I agree to that too. However, even if they are better at one thing then that means they are better, correct?
As in, if they are better at gaming (and they are) and you game on your PC (which most do) then surely it is better to have the chip that is better at gaming yes?
AMD have made it very awkward to use their desktop CPUs for much other than editing and gaming by removing a lot of lanes and so on. As such that limits their potential. As soon as they "won" with Threadripper (and I emphasise won as it was more of a slaughtering of Intel than just winning) they made sure that if you wanted it all you had to pay up big time, whereas the original TR were just extended products of Ryzen, priced accordlingly but contained tons of lanes and etc. As soon as they dropped the 3950x they changed all that, and you didn't get enough to make them viable for much more than basic desktop use (a la editing, gaming etc).
I could be wrong, and AMD could just be offering more for less but I am sure we can all agree that has not been their game of late has it? not at all. As soon as they got the lead core counts pretty much froze and have not progressed since (mmm, smells like Intel spirit).
Threadrippers now are prohibitively expensive as we know.
Time will tell I guess.
As a side note, though. I often wonder how successful AMD would have been with Ryzen had Intel not totally screwed up at every step. Like you know? would they have just remained the king of budget computing?
AngryGoldfish
Old N Gold
I don't think Zen would have been as successful if Intel had been able to push their technologies. Zen's success definitely was in part due to Intel's failures.
They might not be cheaper. This listing might be wrong. Prices change at the last second.
If they are cheaper and they're not as good as hoped, maybe their value is still equivalent. People can still buy the 7800X3D anyway.
If they're cheaper but as good as rumours suggest, AMD could be pre-emptively preparing for Intel's response.
If they're cheaper but as good as rumours suggest, AMD could be trying to take over market share from Intel in this area because they are worried about companies like Nvidia and even Qualcomm now. Microsoft and Qualcomm are in cahoots. What if Windows moved away from x86? Nvidia is now the most valuable company in the world. When Lisa Su saw that headline, maybe she thought that it was time to act.
If they're cheaper but as good as rumours suggest, it could also be because AMD realises that they can't keep selling the 'same' CPUs at the same price and continue to make bank. Zen 4 performed poorly at launch compared to Zen 2 and 3, from what I remember.
All possibilities. Could all be wrong. You could be right. I just don't evidence of that.
They might not be cheaper. This listing might be wrong. Prices change at the last second.
If they are cheaper and they're not as good as hoped, maybe their value is still equivalent. People can still buy the 7800X3D anyway.
If they're cheaper but as good as rumours suggest, AMD could be pre-emptively preparing for Intel's response.
If they're cheaper but as good as rumours suggest, AMD could be trying to take over market share from Intel in this area because they are worried about companies like Nvidia and even Qualcomm now. Microsoft and Qualcomm are in cahoots. What if Windows moved away from x86? Nvidia is now the most valuable company in the world. When Lisa Su saw that headline, maybe she thought that it was time to act.
If they're cheaper but as good as rumours suggest, it could also be because AMD realises that they can't keep selling the 'same' CPUs at the same price and continue to make bank. Zen 4 performed poorly at launch compared to Zen 2 and 3, from what I remember.
All possibilities. Could all be wrong. You could be right. I just don't evidence of that.
