AMD Ryzen 3 2200G and Ryzen 5 2400G APU Preview
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They do. Bristol Ridge desktop was available much sooner for OEM's. For example, HP Dell.
Which is precisely why I feel that this release is more for consumers than for OEM's. OEM's don't care about performance that much, and they mostly sell to users who don't care about performance. Consumers who care about performance, even if they end up buying pre-built, are likely to go for Ryzen G.
WYP
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Raven Ridge will be big for OEMs, as it offers them Intel-like CPU performance with a GPU that they can market as MOBA/free-to-play ready.
AMD has been almost dead in OEM desktops and notebooks for years, Raven Ridge is a chance for them to get a slice of that pie.
Standalone CPUs without graphics do not have the same appeal to OEMs as CPUs with iGPUs in generic/cheap consumer desktops. Raven Ridge sets up AMD to get a slice of this market.
Frode B Nilsen
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I am new to this forum, but signed up, to reach a a great reviewer, as to get answers on Monday.
First, IPC. The L3 cache is smaller, 4MB vs the R3 1200 8MB, vs the 1500x 16MB. If you could run a some clock for clock tests, comparing to one or two first gen CPUs, that would enable us to put the clocks in perspective. Personally, I do not need a hundred tests, but the ones that tells us the bigger picture, as to understand what to expect. Comparing an Intel as well, would be really helpful.
Second, HDMI 2.0. I use a 4K screen, with only HDMI inputs. How wide spread will the 2.0 support be, since so many makers only lists HDMI 1.4 in their specs.
Third, memory allocation. How much RAM can be allocated to the GPU, and is there any real gain, going beyond 16GB? What about 8GB RAM rigs, which could easily loose 2GB of ram to the GPU? That would actually be helpful for anyone looking at the laptop version of this chip as well.
Forth, is comparing an OC 2200G vs OC 2400G. Is it only the silicon lottery, threads, and GPU core count that will be different?
Fifth, my understanding of these chips, is that they are RAM bandwidth starved. But the OC benches AMD released did not really indicate that. That is really surprising. If you could decipher this a bit for us, I would greatly appreciate it.
Also, this is a bloody demanding post, for a totally newbie on a forum. I know. I have been following the channel on YouTube for a few years now, so as a community, please forgive me my complete lack of humbleness.
First, IPC. The L3 cache is smaller, 4MB vs the R3 1200 8MB, vs the 1500x 16MB. If you could run a some clock for clock tests, comparing to one or two first gen CPUs, that would enable us to put the clocks in perspective. Personally, I do not need a hundred tests, but the ones that tells us the bigger picture, as to understand what to expect. Comparing an Intel as well, would be really helpful.
Second, HDMI 2.0. I use a 4K screen, with only HDMI inputs. How wide spread will the 2.0 support be, since so many makers only lists HDMI 1.4 in their specs.
Third, memory allocation. How much RAM can be allocated to the GPU, and is there any real gain, going beyond 16GB? What about 8GB RAM rigs, which could easily loose 2GB of ram to the GPU? That would actually be helpful for anyone looking at the laptop version of this chip as well.
Forth, is comparing an OC 2200G vs OC 2400G. Is it only the silicon lottery, threads, and GPU core count that will be different?
Fifth, my understanding of these chips, is that they are RAM bandwidth starved. But the OC benches AMD released did not really indicate that. That is really surprising. If you could decipher this a bit for us, I would greatly appreciate it.
Also, this is a bloody demanding post, for a totally newbie on a forum. I know. I have been following the channel on YouTube for a few years now, so as a community, please forgive me my complete lack of humbleness.
Good questions, Frode.
I'd be surprised if there's any info on HDMI 2.0 in motherboards. I too am looking for such support, but I don't expect anything anything until the next gen chipsets, and even then... Still, good to bring it up.
Regarding RAM use, the Raven Ridge laptops allocate 256MB to the GPU. I haven't seen any other figure, so I'm guessing that's the only dedicated memory it gets, and the rest is dynamically allocated from system RAM as needed.
I'd be surprised if there's any info on HDMI 2.0 in motherboards. I too am looking for such support, but I don't expect anything anything until the next gen chipsets, and even then... Still, good to bring it up.
Regarding RAM use, the Raven Ridge laptops allocate 256MB to the GPU. I haven't seen any other figure, so I'm guessing that's the only dedicated memory it gets, and the rest is dynamically allocated from system RAM as needed.
WYP
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Thanks for the input. To say the least we do have a lot of plans to test these APUs in the future post-review to investigate things a little deeper than the usual review timeframe would allow.
Traditionally AMD's APUs have been bandwidth starved, but the higher speeds offered by DDR4 and Vega's use of additional memory compression should counter this somewhat. Even so, memory bandwidth has the potential to be an issue (potentially limit GPU performance).
As far as HDMI 2.0 goes, I think that will be something that is down to motherboard manufacturers, though DisplayPort can be adapted to HDMI 2.0, which can act as a potential workaround.
Frode B Nilsen
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Thanks. This is exactly the thing about memory, that I am looking for. As a tip, if the memory speed can be lowered, it will be easy to test how the core clock scales performance. That way, you will quickly gain an understanding of how saturated this mem bus is. This in turn, should give us an fair understanding of how much further things can be pushed, using current tech and DDR4. Does more GPU cores make any sense on DDR4? Intel uses HBM2 for about twice the core count.
The thing about this chip, is that it appears to be a really nice balance of performance choices, given the die size.
As for DP to HDMI adapters, they add latency. In my case, I use a 65" TV as a monitor, and last time I checked, adapters was a no go, due to the increase in lag. Also, HDCP is lost.
The thing about this chip, is that it appears to be a really nice balance of performance choices, given the die size.
As for DP to HDMI adapters, they add latency. In my case, I use a 65" TV as a monitor, and last time I checked, adapters was a no go, due to the increase in lag. Also, HDCP is lost.
WYP
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if possible I would like to see how these apus handle Final Fantasy XIV Stormblood. There's a benchamrk tool you could download to test it out free and easy to use. I play this alot. But I have a fairly old rig. So I wanna see if these are worth upgrading to.
Due to time constraints, we are unlikely to get that game tested before these APUs launch. We do plans to conduct more in-depth game testing post-launch and we will put Final Fantasy XIV Stormblood under consideration for testing.
I play this alot. But I have a fairly old rig. So I wanna see if these are worth upgrading to.
I guess you'd have to use other games to estimate relative performance. What GPU do you have in your rig?
