An AMD Ryzen CPU with integrated VEGA graphics!
AMD Ryzen 3 2200G and Ryzen 5 2400G APU Preview
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I thought these APUs were too good to be true TBH, but I can see there are now some drawbacks with the new quad core design.
That being said, they seem minimal, and look to offer some really great low-end value parts.
I occasionally do office PCs for friends and family, and these could replace the i3s I'd usually opt for!
That being said, they seem minimal, and look to offer some really great low-end value parts.
I occasionally do office PCs for friends and family, and these could replace the i3s I'd usually opt for!
AlienALX
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Expectation. People have very high ones, then you find yourself let down all of the time. The trick is to have none, and see the product for what it is. IE - a cheap, dirty little APU that can actually game. Meaning you can have a tiny rig that doesn't bust your bank account and run games on low settings.
This idea was enormously popular with the original AMD APUs. Even though the on die GPU was crap (6670 or something) it enabled people to just stick one in and game without the added expense of a GPU.
And yes, the GPU area on this should piddle on Intel's best tbh.
Over the coming months I fancy building a Sega AM3 only box. Running Supermodel. This would be absolutely ideal for me
RobM
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Speaking from experience as having gamed AAA titles on an APU, ie my last setup was an A10 and I was able to play with reasonable setting @ 1080p without any real problems except when things got really busy on screen such as late game HOI or Arma3 but for the most things were pretty fine.
This new generation I bet will be far superior and akin to an ryzen 3 with a 750ti or better
This new generation I bet will be far superior and akin to an ryzen 3 with a 750ti or better
I'd bet with you that it won't be near 750 Ti level. It's compared to a 1030 in 3DMark on an AMD slide, so my bet is that it's slower than the 1030 in actual games. And the 1030 is slower than the 750 Ti.
It's possible that with overclocking and fast RAM it will be 1030 level, but I'm not setting my expectation that high.
Like AlienALX said, keep your expectations low and you won't be disappointed.
(My personal expectation is that a 2200G will play games better than my current Phenom II X6 1090T + Radeon HD 5750. If this happens it will be good enough for me.)
RobM
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Yeah I think that is a bit hopeful tbh. I think it will be more of a case of "Hey look, this thing can actually run games... Just about" than "750ti high settings 1080p !".
All that matters is that it kicks Intel's IGP's ass. Anything else is a bonus
that would please me immensely
AlienALX
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that would please me immensely
Anything that can run L4D at an acceptable frame rate is acceptable to me tbh. It will be nice having a tiny rig I can just throw in my rucksack and take to my mother's and plug into the TV. I may finally retire my Android gaming console thing and use a PC.
rockefeller
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amd Ryzen 2400G
compare Ryzen 2400G with older AMD APU
compare Ryzen 2400G with older AMD APU
AMD Raven Ridge
All the talk is expectations and from what AMD showed in their press conferences I'll wait until next week full reveal to see what those two cpus bring to the table and i don't expect much from them in terms of performance and caches levels with number of cores are just disappointing THE FINAL WORD next week
All the talk is expectations and from what AMD showed in their press conferences I'll wait until next week full reveal to see what those two cpus bring to the table and i don't expect much from them in terms of performance and caches levels with number of cores are just disappointing THE FINAL WORD next week
Dark NighT
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This would be a great test for games such as WoW, warframe, guild wars 2, all the big mmo stuff that doesnt require a high barrier of entry on a hardware level.
All that matters is that it kicks Intel's IGP's ass. Anything else is a bonus
I have no doubt that it will do that big time.
And frankly that's not the only thing that matters. Older AMD GPU's also beat Intel on the graphics front. What's good with Ryzen is that it's also close to Intel in CPU performance. That would allow the package to be convincing, unlike older APU's, which were a compromise, and therefore not suitable for everyone.
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
OEMs are gonna sell a ton of these, don't see much use though for them outside HTPC/Home server.
AlienALX
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Yup and not only that but they are giving you a decent CPU core count and SMT too with the 4/8. That will be much better going into the future, as you can simply add in a better GPU later.
Minecraft, Sims etc. You are forgetting that most PC gamers play Indie games and etc. Anything else you can pretty much find on a console. I am literally just waiting for Supermodel to get a front end GUI, then I am building a dedicated AM3 rig for racing games.
I think that the 2200G would sell great to custom builders, especially once RAM prices drop. Lots of people would buy for themselves or their kids a ~$300 system that can run games adequately and has quite a bit of upgrade potential.
Nintendo Maniac 64
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I finally decided to bite the bullet and make my first post after having been registered for over 5 years now...
The video in the article asked us to post what we wanted to see test, and I personally would love to see emulation.
Particularly the Dolphin 5.0 benchmark, and even better if "luabench" could also be ran on a newer development version of Dolphin as well (scroll down to find downloads for them).
You see, emulation is one of the 1000-series Ryzen CPU's worst case scenarios, possibly because emulation is extremely latency sensitive to the point that SMT can be *faster* than actual separate cores) (and we know that latency is a bit of a weak point on the 1000-series Ryzen currently). Alternatively, this may be because Haswell and newer on the Intel side of things are weirdly fast at emulation (20-30% faster than Ivy Bridge) compared to most other workloads (5-10% faster than Ivy Bridge).
Take a look at the Dolphin 5.0 benchmark results - Ryzen actually ends up performing worse than Haswell on a per-GHz basis, and this persists even when using much newer builds of Dolphin) (though to a lesser degree).
Supposedly the 2200G and 2400G (as well as 12nm Ryzen) have improved latency in the memory subsystem, and this latency that is present on the 1000-series Ryzen CPUs may very well be why things like Dolphin end up being on of Ryzen's worst case scenarios.
The video in the article asked us to post what we wanted to see test, and I personally would love to see emulation.
Particularly the Dolphin 5.0 benchmark, and even better if "luabench" could also be ran on a newer development version of Dolphin as well (scroll down to find downloads for them).
You see, emulation is one of the 1000-series Ryzen CPU's worst case scenarios, possibly because emulation is extremely latency sensitive to the point that SMT can be *faster* than actual separate cores) (and we know that latency is a bit of a weak point on the 1000-series Ryzen currently). Alternatively, this may be because Haswell and newer on the Intel side of things are weirdly fast at emulation (20-30% faster than Ivy Bridge) compared to most other workloads (5-10% faster than Ivy Bridge).
Take a look at the Dolphin 5.0 benchmark results - Ryzen actually ends up performing worse than Haswell on a per-GHz basis, and this persists even when using much newer builds of Dolphin) (though to a lesser degree).
Supposedly the 2200G and 2400G (as well as 12nm Ryzen) have improved latency in the memory subsystem, and this latency that is present on the 1000-series Ryzen CPUs may very well be why things like Dolphin end up being on of Ryzen's worst case scenarios.
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NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
You are forgetting that most PC gamers buy OEM. I stand correct.
AlienALX
Well-known member
Most PC gamers used to build their own rig. Usually because it was much cheaper, and you got better parts. That's the complete opposite now, though.
TBH the only APU based pre builts I ever saw were GAYMING PC RAWR ! on Ebay who add all of the cores together to tell you it's 8ghz and so on.
Dell don't use them, HP don't use them and so on. They usually don't use anything AMD at the low end apart from a few laptops I saw from HP which did have very crap AMD APUs in.
