AMD Ryzen 2nd Gen + 400-series Chipset leaks - performance, pricing and more
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Dicehunter
Resident Newb
Having seen the "leaked" benchmarks of the 2700X vs a 1700, I'm not too impressed, In Timespy's Physics test the 1700 is literally 300 points behind the 2700X.
I'm hoping those tests are extremely fake and it's a viable upgrade from an 1800X.
I'm hoping those tests are extremely fake and it's a viable upgrade from an 1800X.
AlienALX
Well-known member
300 points in CB is a lot. My 14 core BE is "only" 300 points ahead of a fully clocked 1800x but that is still enough to go from 1800-2100 or more. The best score I got was around 2180 with odd cores overclocked (CB didn't seem to mind).
Those are big numbers dude, especially for a refresh. That should put it in line with my 14/28 BE running 2.9ghz.
I am not surprised there is no 2800x. The 1800x was totally pointless. Having never touched Ryzen before or even so much as entered the BIOS on a Ryzen board I OCed my mate's 1700 by proxy to 3.9ghz in about 25 minutes over Skype. If I had the board in my possession that would have been about ten seconds.
Dicehunter
Resident Newb
I never said Cinebench, I said Timespy ^_^ and I got it wrong it wasn't 300 points in Timespy it was 83 points which is margin of error -
AlienALX
Well-known member
Ah sorry dude brain misfire :S
TBH 3Dmark has never really liked AMD CPUs at all. You need to remember though this is literally a refresh. Intel got 3-5% so yeah, don't be over hopeful. It might turn out to be equally as pointless as buying every Intel refresh, too. Might wanna skip a couple then get one.
TBH 3Dmark has never really liked AMD CPUs at all. You need to remember though this is literally a refresh. Intel got 3-5% so yeah, don't be over hopeful. It might turn out to be equally as pointless as buying every Intel refresh, too. Might wanna skip a couple then get one.
Dicehunter
Resident Newb
Yeah true, I play at 1440P and 4K which aren't exactly CPU limited, Depending on Toms review I may get the 2700X IF it does offer a good perf bump, If not I'll wait for Ryzen 2
The Zealot
New member
The bottom two charts, the ones comparing gaming performance, actually say "AMD Ryzen 5 launch - April 11 2017".
I mean, come on OC3D, you're not even trying. In any case, you guys should have gone to Specsavers.
Oh yeah, (this is hilarious) I'm not even wearing my glasses right now and I still was able to see it!
I mean, come on OC3D, you're not even trying. In any case, you guys should have gone to Specsavers.
Oh yeah, (this is hilarious) I'm not even wearing my glasses right now and I still was able to see it!
AngryGoldfish
Old N Gold
This looks remarkably still like a refresh. X470 motherboards with good cooling will see out of the box superior performance, but X370 users should be able to overclock their 2000 series CPUs to similar clock speeds. From what we've been shown, the only gains appear to be in clock speed and under the hood efficiencies, which are really not that essential for enthusiasts.
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
I'd be more excited for the new chipsets and boards honestly. The x370 is a great chipset but the boards.. well most were subpar compared to Intel.
mb67
New member
I noticed that as well. Definitely makes me question its validity.
g0ggles1994
Active member
Looks like 15th March 2017 to me, still though it's one whole year wrong
I'm calling BS myself, especially on the whole Motherboard thing because the way it says "Mid March", if that date is supposed to be 15th March 2018 then it will already be mid March.. Plus it makes no sense showing the 2700X at the same price point as the 8700K but slower in every single game listed and no benchmarks showing it outperforming it.
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
Would be cool if it released the 15th of March. It would be my birthday and I could try to guilt trip my significant other into getting it for me
Dicehunter
Resident Newb
The only 2 x good boards I've personally tested that also look decent are the Crosshair Hero and Extreme, The rest feel like they're going to fall to pieces when you pick them up, I'd also like to know why Asus put so much more design effort into Intel boards than AMD boards, Take the Formula and TUF for example, Look great, AMD Asus boards look like cheap toys in comparison.
g0ggles1994
Active member
Would be cool if it released the 15th of March. It would be my birthday and I could try to guilt trip my significant other into getting it for me
Good luck with that, I'll keep an eye out in the obituaries for the results
I've always thought this as well, I made the point about the Coffee Lake lineup at launch being larger than the AM4 lineup now. My MSI board is built good, but the BIOS is just terrible, honestly the worst BIOS I've ever encountered.
It's either the manufacturers plainly dont care, or they've got a shady deal to try and push the proletariat onto the Intel platform, and going from past experience I know which option I'm betting on
AdmiralDonut
New member
This refresh only exists to try and tempt the people who held off on Ryzen first gen/Coffee Lake to "See what would happen". With a little more maturity under its belt, and comparing well on price/performance, this refresh should help knock some of those fence sitters off. This was never going to be an upgrade path for current Ryzen users any more than the Intel "tocks" ever were for their users.
WYP
News Guru
Yeah, I don't see many Ryzen 7 users upgrading, though it could be enough to tempt users of lower-end Ryzen CPUs to go for higher-end models. Perhaps bring quad-core users to six cores or hex-core users to octo-cores. Depends on their use case and if they consider the benefits worthwhile.
I keep hearing fans of Emulators wanting to see Ryzen CPUs with less latent cache, which is something that is expected to come with Ryzen 2nd Gen. Raven Ridge already offers cache latency improvements.
This release won't be as revolutionary as Ryzen was, though it will be interesting to see if AMD's improvements are limited to clock speeds.
AngryGoldfish
Old N Gold
I'm curious to see if 4.35Ghz will be the overclocking ceiling for all cores like 4Ghz was for Ryzen. An 1800X could boost to 4Ghz on one or two cores automatically, but that was also its ceiling for all-core overclocking. If the 2700X can boost to 4.35Ghz on an unknown amount of cores, is that also going to be the overclocking ceiling or is 4.5Ghz going to be achievable? If so, I can't see myself jumping up from a 1600X to a 2700X.
AlienALX
Well-known member
Not sure I agree with all of that tbh. This refresh exists because it has to. If AMD just upped sticks and went home Ryzen would soon become stale. They have to keep pushing because even though Ryzen was awesome it was still behind from day one (aided by an enormous price drop VS Intel, though) and AMD need to keep it current.
This is why Intel pushed on even when there was no competition. Only very few went through all of the Intel refreshes and shrinks, it was more to keep new buyers buying.
If this refresh gives 400mhz I would probably still get it. It's not like it's mega money or anything and 10% is 10%. 4.35ghz, if stable on all cores, could be a nice update for a couple of hundred notes.
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