AMD Reveals their Radeon VII GPU - The First 7nm Gaming GPU

When Nvidia can get DLSS off the ground they'll stomp this iteration into the ground, and I am very unhappy about that possibility. For now this looks like a solid card, wish they'd give me me with GDDR6 though, making it a cheaper option all around.
 
When Nvidia can get DLSS off the ground they'll stomp this iteration into the ground, and I am very unhappy about that possibility. For now this looks like a solid card, wish they'd give me me with GDDR6 though, making it a cheaper option all around.

From what I have heard so far DLSS is only for 4k.

TBH? the games that I have played at 4k, with the proper textures required no aliasing at all. In fairness though that was on a 27 and 32" panel. But most of the things Nvidia are carrying on about now only really relate to their eye wateringly expensive BFG or whatever they are calling it. Which again, doesn't really interest me in the slightest. I said it before I am done with fads and things manus want me to buy. Just CBA.

I've also heard that DLSS doesn't look as good as other methods. I really don't find it that exciting really. Only Nvidia could make aliasing sound so important and exciting.
 
Navi got a passing mention at the end of the stream for something we'd hear more about at upcoming events so we can be pretty sure that's going to be their mainstream GDDR6 option coming much later in 2019, it doesn't seem like NVidia are moving to 7nm until 2020, some rumours recently suggesting they may even tap Samsungs EUV based 7nm which is going to be ready much later than TSMCs was, and they don't seem to be looking to release any mid end cards any time soon so presumably AMD don't see a rush to replace Polaris.
 
From what I have heard so far DLSS is only for 4k.

TBH? the games that I have played at 4k, with the proper textures required no aliasing at all. In fairness though that was on a 27 and 32" panel. But most of the things Nvidia are carrying on about now only really relate to their eye wateringly expensive BFG or whatever they are calling it. Which again, doesn't really interest me in the slightest. I said it before I am done with fads and things manus want me to buy. Just CBA.

I've also heard that DLSS doesn't look as good as other methods. I really don't find it that exciting really. Only Nvidia could make aliasing sound so important and exciting.

4K only? Wait, what? That'd be a million thumbs down!! If it is actually good, the same for RT, at least Nvidia is integrating new technologies whereas AMD is still doing the same old thing with the new Vega - while I was hoping they'd introduce their own innovations. New Vega looks good, just wish it was more.
 
The prospect of a properly competitive all AMD build with a Ryzen 3XXX and a Vega VII literally makes me giggle with glee. I'll be voting with my wallet once the products launch and prices stabilise.
 
4K only? Wait, what? That'd be a million thumbs down!! If it is actually good, the same for RT, at least Nvidia is integrating new technologies whereas AMD is still doing the same old thing with the new Vega - while I was hoping they'd introduce their own innovations. New Vega looks good, just wish it was more.

So far I think the only working instances of it are in 4k, and I am sure I heard one of those Youtubers say it was only for 4k. Maybe I misunderstood, but yeah AFAIK so far it only does anything at 4k on two titles? something like that.

I wish new Vega was good too. Sadly it really isn't, as it's based on Vega which wasn't great either (says the bloke who has a Vega 64, but I did only pay £240 for it)

I think AMD just need to ride Vega out now. It wasn't great as Fury and it's not really gotten much better, though TBH the DX12 performance is actually very good (almost 1080Ti levels..) But it needs coding for, and we haven't seen much of that.

I think Navi will be a bit of a breath of fresh air. Hopefully 1080 fast but with GDDR so we can get one without selling our houses.
 
If I am honest I am not excited by this graphics card, though I hope AMD can use the Machine Learning extras that they added to Vega to utilise Microsoft's upcoming DirectML extension.

DirectML can be used to deliver similar results to DLSS, so it would be awesome to see AMD invest in something like that. That said i am not super hopeful.

TBH I think AMD needed to sell this for £600, not the £660 ( $699 converted from $ + VAT)
 
If I am honest I am not excited by this graphics card, though I hope AMD can use the Machine Learning extras that they added to Vega to utilise Microsoft's upcoming DirectML extension.

DirectML can be used to deliver similar results to DLSS, so it would be awesome to see AMD invest in something like that. That said i am not super hopeful.

TBH I think AMD needed to sell this for £600, not the £660 ( $699 converted from $ + VAT)


Yeah 599 would've been a damn good price.
 
Yeah 599 would've been a damn good price.

Nah, it wouldn't, but it would have been a little more palatable. These ridiculous prices need to stop tbh.

I can buy a brand spanking new, new gen console for less than a mid range GPU now.

And at 15ft @ 4k I am buggered if I can see any difference. If that is the game Nvidia are about to play (trying to make us all buy stupid TVs and sit on the sofa?) then I am definitely out.

Bring on the next PS or Xbox. Or Navi, depending on how good it is.
 
I think any lower than $699 would have just led to more problems and less money, this is the very first 7nm processing chip anyones sold to consumers so we can't expect yields or production to be as seemless as usual, supply is probably not much better than OG Vega was. Meanwhile it is priced to exactly match its competitor in the gaming sphere in older titles while outperforming it in newer ones, with less of a penalty from 4K and higher resolutions and more "future proofing" with increased VRAM and compute performance over its competitor.

For a card primarily made for enterprise workloads and sold for content creation that would be a more than comfortable position to have in the gaming sphere, given this isn't the main target for selling these. I'd still expect price cuts eventually, but this clearly isn't meant to be a price/perf gaming card (Though no top end card is really nowadays, far too much money elsewhere for large dies).

AMD were selling this as the most technologically advanced GPU on market and in many ways it is, but it doesn't actually have to be for the phrase to do some marketing for them anywaw, if someone doesn't want ray tracing then there's not much the 2080 has left over Vega besides perf/watt, while its much larger die size means NVidia will probably have a harder time bringing the cost of the 2080 down than AMD would with VII(This is the first time in my memory personally that AMDs managed to match NVidia's gaming performance with smaller dies, for obvious reasons here).
 
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This is a definite purchase for me but I'm going to give it a 6 months for prices to stabilize and go down slightly.

You mean day 1 purchase for each and every card that is released which is faster than the one you currently own? :D

We all know you now. Save the money for your trip to texas.


Adventures > any card released now and in the future.
 
Vega depending(maybe?) on HBM is a huge problem, since the tech hasn't gone down in price. If they could use GDDR6, then Vega might be a mid range contender. But currently they've got an overclocked overclocked 480 for 1080p and a more power hungry 1080 Ti once 7 is out.

I mean I'm not sure Vega absolutely needs HBM to perform but if it didn't, an affordable 1080 killer would have been welcomed with open arms. Now they're going head to head against 2080 and Nvidia is holding all the cards (heh). 7's only benefits are creative workloads (thouch CUDA is strong as well) and the reputation of being the good guys in this business. Nvidia's proprietary tech is going to be in most major game releases, widening the gap in 2080's favour.

If it wasn't for 7nm process, on paper this card is what Vega Frontier Edition should have been, now it's too little too late.
 
I have received some more data from AMD regarding the Radeon VII's performance. Will publish soon.
 
I think any lower than $699 would have just led to more problems and less money, this is the very first 7nm processing chip anyones sold to consumers so we can't expect yields or production to be as seemless as usual, supply is probably not much better than OG Vega was. Meanwhile it is priced to exactly match its competitor in the gaming sphere in older titles while outperforming it in newer ones, with less of a penalty from 4K and higher resolutions and more "future proofing" with increased VRAM and compute performance over its competitor.

For a card primarily made for enterprise workloads and sold for content creation that would be a more than comfortable position to have in the gaming sphere, given this isn't the main target for selling these. I'd still expect price cuts eventually, but this clearly isn't meant to be a price/perf gaming card (Though no top end card is really nowadays, far too much money elsewhere for large dies).

AMD were selling this as the most technologically advanced GPU on market and in many ways it is, but it doesn't actually have to be for the phrase to do some marketing for them anywaw, if someone doesn't want ray tracing then there's not much the 2080 has left over Vega besides perf/watt, while its much larger die size means NVidia will probably have a harder time bringing the cost of the 2080 down than AMD would with VII(This is the first time in my memory personally that AMDs managed to match NVidia's gaming performance with smaller dies, for obvious reasons here).

I saw this earlier. It kinda makes sense, given we didn't see the Vega II logo until after Turing had dropped.

I also saw it pointed out that until recently they were saying there wasn't going to be a home version of the Instinct, because it was too expensive.
I suspect they weren't going to make this card until the RTX series hit. AMD went "nVidia is charging WHAT for a marginal performance gain? Maybe Instinct ISN'T too expensive for home use after all."


Makes a lot of sense tbh.
 
Vega depending(maybe?) on HBM is a huge problem, since the tech hasn't gone down in price. If they could use GDDR6, then Vega might be a mid range contender. But currently they've got an overclocked overclocked 480 for 1080p and a more power hungry 1080 Ti once 7 is out.

I mean I'm not sure Vega absolutely needs HBM to perform but if it didn't, an affordable 1080 killer would have been welcomed with open arms. Now they're going head to head against 2080 and Nvidia is holding all the cards (heh). 7's only benefits are creative workloads (thouch CUDA is strong as well) and the reputation of being the good guys in this business. Nvidia's proprietary tech is going to be in most major game releases, widening the gap in 2080's favour.

If it wasn't for 7nm process, on paper this card is what Vega Frontier Edition should have been, now it's too little too late.

If this was meant as a gaming card 1st then yeah, it wouldn't use HBM. But since this is a compute card with a cut down gaming variant, the HBM is pretty necessary. Radeon 7 has twice the bandwidth of any consumer card thats come before, it can theoretically fill the whole 16GB VRAM in ~16milliseconds, there's a lot of use cases where that's not just a big improvement but will lead to shifts in the memory hierarchy and structure of certain software (In STEM research areas mostly). Video editing is another area where lots of VRAM is useful and being able to rewrite the VRAM with stuff from system memory quickly is critical, as well as game development. It's literally only really gaming that doesn't see the same level of benefits from that 1TB bandwidth, especially when most gaming rigs don't even have that much system memory in the first place.
 
I saw this earlier. It kinda makes sense, given we didn't see the Vega II logo until after Turing had dropped.

I also saw it pointed out that until recently they were saying there wasn't going to be a home version of the Instinct, because it was too expensive.
I suspect they weren't going to make this card until the RTX series hit. AMD went "nVidia is charging WHAT for a marginal performance gain? Maybe Instinct ISN'T too expensive for home use after all."


Makes a lot of sense tbh.

This is what I'm thinking. Rather than undercut Nvidia by releasing a cheaper card that performs the same, they've basically just done what Nvidia have done because they're seeing that they're getting away with it. It makes me feel like this is going to be the new standard for enthusiast PC graphics from now on.
 
You mean day 1 purchase for each and every card that is released which is faster than the one you currently own? :D

We all know you now. Save the money for your trip to texas.


Adventures > any card released now and in the future.


In all fairness I never touched a 2080 or 2080 Ti even though I have the funds available, I'm getting better at not buying ^_^
 
This is what I'm thinking. Rather than undercut Nvidia by releasing a cheaper card that performs the same, they've basically just done what Nvidia have done because they're seeing that they're getting away with it. It makes me feel like this is going to be the new standard for enthusiast PC graphics from now on.

It's not even that unreasonably priced. And it is a cheaper card that performs the same.. based off of MSRP and claimed numbers
 
It's not even that unreasonably priced. And it is a cheaper card that performs the same.. based off of MSRP and claimed numbers

By what metric are you basing that on? The price to performance hasn't changed for two years. 1080Ti was roughly 30% faster than Vega. Radeon VII is roughly 30% faster than Vega 64. 1080Ti was listed at $700. Radeon VII is listed at $700. EVGA have a MSRP $700 RTX 2080. If you're basing it on how much the parts of Radeon VII costs, I don't care. I really don't give a rats ass.
 
By what metric are you basing that on? The price to performance hasn't changed for two years. 1080Ti was roughly 30% faster than Vega. Radeon VII is roughly 30% faster than Vega 64. 1080Ti was listed at $700. Radeon VII is listed at $700. EVGA have a MSRP $700 RTX 2080. If you're basing it on how much the parts of Radeon VII costs, I don't care. I really don't give a rats ass.

1080ti was a good price/performance and it's the same with the Radeon 7. AMD are behind sure but doesn't mean they should just not release anything and stop making money and stop R&D.
Besides that I told you what I based it on. No need to get your booty tickled
 
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