chrismjurd
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do we have a nda lift date? or is the nda under nda?
all i can see says 24th but thats like ages away
all i can see says 24th but thats like ages away
AMD R9 Fury X benchmarks leaked, Significantly Faster than the GTX 980Ti
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Dawelio
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all i can see says 24th but thats like ages away
It's on wednesday, which is 4 days away...
Jbo1234
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The guy is utterly fair so why are AMD unhappy? He is clearly and fairly laying out why their business model at the moment is pretty ridiculous (rebranding a 4 year old chip or toaster chips) and obviously AMD are worried about this as it is a legitimate complaint. Banning the press from a room with (probably) a working Fiji chip after months of delays is not only going to annoy them, but set off alarms bells - if the product is so good why are they not showing it off? Why are they not building up the hype like they did with the 295x2 over months? The probable reason is because it isn't that good and they know the press (some of whom are highly technically minded) will point this out and make people aware, and in turn cripple sales. Also renaming old chips and not saying they are rebrands is pretty deplorable and scandalous.
Also the guy wants Fiji to do well, but just says that it doesn't look like it.
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Some seem to forget that the 290x and 780ti power consumption werent that much different.
Only difference is that AMD was dumb enough to lock it down to those shoddy reference coolers for release. Aside from that, probably just random fanbi****.
The fanbi***** only bring up power consumption and temps because that is the only thing they have now to justify their opinions that they want to force on others.
Only difference is that AMD was dumb enough to lock it down to those shoddy reference coolers for release. Aside from that, probably just random fanbi****.
The fanbi***** only bring up power consumption and temps because that is the only thing they have now to justify their opinions that they want to force on others.
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The guy is an utter bell-end . How can you talk down about something before you even know what it is. If he said that NOW as part of a review AFTER being disappointed with the price/performance then that would be completely fair. Saying it off the back of speculation is just an asshat move and I wouldn't send KG any samples either. Fair play to AMD IMO.
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Jbo1234
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Yet he was right about the entire lineup ergo, he knows what he is on about. It's called an informed opinion and is fine to state as long as you say it is...which he did. You just don't like the idea of someone fairly criticising a company.
Haha, true, but when has Nvidia rebranded 4 year old chips? Also has Nvidia rebranded chips without saying so or changed the chip name to hide a rebrand? (Actual questions as I'm 99% sure Nvidia haven't done that, but not totally certain).
As for the memory mess up with the 970 - they explained it was a engineer to marketing problem (which is very believable it you work in any engineering firm). I just wouldn't tar a company for one mistake compared to years of problems and rebranding etc.
Alright so if any company makes such a big mistake (that is of course assuming it was a mistake) they should just tell the consumers to go f*** themselves and call them a bunch of ungrateful Fa*****? Sound right to me, after all its not like they could have given out some game keys or something.
All nVidia does is just sacrifice features to allow for more gaming performance. Fermi to Kepler then to Maxwell. Oh wait, how old is Fermi? Honestly I cant remember nor can be bothered searching. If you want to say that those features were useless s in the first place so it is a good thing they were sacrificed, well then I have nothing to say to that.
Also the guy in the video looked as if he was depressed, drinking or high. Not to mention pissed off at something and quite unprofessional.
The guy is a complete joke, even the 390x can compete with the 980 (albeit without the 980 being OC'd heavily) Yet hes going around spewing nonsense like how AMD cant compete with nVidia. We already saw what Tonga could achieve. Did I mention how he wants the Fiji chip to not only beat the 980 in performance but also consume less power? He must be praying real hard to his god, or perhaps starting at his bank account. Who knows.
Almost burst out laughing when the guy said " oh hang on a minute, we've been conned" :lol:
Should literally get a transcript of his video so that I can highlight all the crap instead of writing a long post. Cause there is just too much.
All nVidia does is just sacrifice features to allow for more gaming performance. Fermi to Kepler then to Maxwell. Oh wait, how old is Fermi? Honestly I cant remember nor can be bothered searching. If you want to say that those features were useless s in the first place so it is a good thing they were sacrificed, well then I have nothing to say to that.
Also the guy in the video looked as if he was depressed, drinking or high. Not to mention pissed off at something and quite unprofessional.
The guy is a complete joke, even the 390x can compete with the 980 (albeit without the 980 being OC'd heavily) Yet hes going around spewing nonsense like how AMD cant compete with nVidia. We already saw what Tonga could achieve. Did I mention how he wants the Fiji chip to not only beat the 980 in performance but also consume less power? He must be praying real hard to his god, or perhaps starting at his bank account. Who knows.
Almost burst out laughing when the guy said " oh hang on a minute, we've been conned" :lol:
Should literally get a transcript of his video so that I can highlight all the crap instead of writing a long post. Cause there is just too much.
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AlienALX
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I watched the video last night. What a waste of time.
Whilst he may have a couple of worthwhile points they are soon drowned in his accusations. Why it bothers him so much is a mystery, as only the truly stupid would not look into what they're buying first and realise they're old cards with a new badge.
It sucks but that's life. He should have just kept quiet and used his reviews to point out the facts without ranting and looking like a <removed>.
AMD getan awful, awful lot of bad press that IMO is just Nvidia fanboys pretending to like them whilst secretly getting in as many digs as they can. So yeah, AMD can't compete with the fastest Intel CPUs but they make decent budget stuff good for people who can't afford to drop nearly a grand on just a CPU.
Serves him right, the douche.
Whilst he may have a couple of worthwhile points they are soon drowned in his accusations. Why it bothers him so much is a mystery, as only the truly stupid would not look into what they're buying first and realise they're old cards with a new badge.
It sucks but that's life. He should have just kept quiet and used his reviews to point out the facts without ranting and looking like a <removed>.
AMD getan awful, awful lot of bad press that IMO is just Nvidia fanboys pretending to like them whilst secretly getting in as many digs as they can. So yeah, AMD can't compete with the fastest Intel CPUs but they make decent budget stuff good for people who can't afford to drop nearly a grand on just a CPU.
Serves him right, the douche.
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Jbo1234
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Woah, hold on a second. You're now turning this into a Nvidia bashing post. You also didn't address my questions and have sunk to insulting the guy. That's pretty low and comes across as grasping at straws.
First off, when did Nvidia say that? And how did the change affect performance?
Fermi was used as the main design in two series, so the standard tick-tock approach which no one can complain about. Remember how the temps dropped drastically from the 400 to 500 series? That is great and to be expect of all chip makers, but AMD havn't even done a tock - they just have given us the same card again (and again in some cases).
Look at other benchmarks from more sources rather than just one - the 390x is on par with the 970....as it should be. Its the same as a 290X 8GB model so how could it have magically improved in performance and compete now with a 980? Also some reviews love to ignore the huge OC potential Maxwell has over Hawaii which just comes across as bad reporting or a heavy bias.
He actually said it needs to draw less power then it does at the moment. Nvidia are almost achieving twice as much performance per watt than AMD. This is starting to look like the Intel V AMD fight all over again which has resulted in customers getting shafted something fierce as Intel now have a monopoly on cpus. I don't think anyone of a sane mind wants that to happen to gpus.
I think he's worried about it turning into Nvidia grabbing huge market share and a monopoly (like Intel), plus most people don't look into chipsets etc. They just look at a random forum, shop etc and go with that. Think about how many people actually know who made their psu compared to "But the label says Corsair...".
The guy was spot on though with everything he said so if AMD want to take a huff, then they need to address how they operate.
Also all the insults towards the guy doesn't help anyones argument and really hits credibility. And the Nvidia stuff is also a bad point to argue. A) it doesn't matter what someone else does if the guys complaints against AMD are true (which they were), b) no one has given any examples of Nvidia being d**** besides the 970 mess which was explained and blown way out of proportion (I Luv this card! OMGOSH return! Not said wut was on box...yet same performance that I just said that I luved!! *facepalm).
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barnsley
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The issue isn't that the card didn't perform as it should, it was about the lying.
The low end stuff. The gt 730 is a gt 430. IT would explain why no one should really buy a low end Nvidia card. AMD rebranding the lower end stuff isn't the end of the world either. AMD seem to have really done a lot with drivers to improve the performance. Hence why the 390X is performing inbetweeen the 970 and 980 (the 8GB version is beating the 980 elsewhere too). AMD are carving out bits between the nVidia cards but aiming prices at the lower end card.
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Jbo1234
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True, but it could have been a genuine mistake as they said. Marketing depts normally have zero technical understanding so would easily make a mistake like this. Plus where is the rage over AMD renaming a chip to hide the fact that it is another rebrand? That is certainly not a mistake and pretty calculated.
Possibly, though if the drivers are the reason for the performance increase, then surely the 290X 8GBs version should be able to run at that performance as it is the same card. Also AMD are renowned for having bad drivers so I would be surprised if they had achieved this rather than it just being some dodgy benchmarks. It is possible, but I would go with Occam's razor on this one and say it's the latter.
The 290X 8GB and the 390X 8gb are basically the same - we tested the MSI version though and thats an all new card - ie: new pcb and cooler.
290X 8GB is the 390X 8GB no discussion there. SOme companies may just chnage the number on the box but MSI have gone to town to try and make their 390X the best they possibly could and OMG does it show.
290X 8GB is the 390X 8GB no discussion there. SOme companies may just chnage the number on the box but MSI have gone to town to try and make their 390X the best they possibly could and OMG does it show.
barnsley
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If you're going to go with bad drivers, I'll go with Nvidia lying to cover their backs
. Simplest answer as you say.I own both Nvidia and AMD cards and while crossfire isn't as good as sli, single cards are both equal in terms of issues. Bad drivers is a tired cliché when it comes to talking about single cards. Excluding drivers built for reviewing it seems.
Nvidia have been sneeky (see the whole thing with 3dmark03 and the 5900 'ultra) before.
If you're going to go with bad drivers, I'll go with Nvidia lying to cover their backs
I own both Nvidia and AMD cards and while crossfire isn't as good as sli, single cards are both equal in terms of issues. Bad drivers is a tired cliché when it comes to talking about single cards. Excluding drivers built for reviewing it seems.
Nvidia have been sneeky (see the whole thing with 3dmark03 and the 5900 'ultra) before.
You should try the 290(x) cards in CF, they are quite lovely now. Shame your experience was ruined by AMDs past.
NeverBackDown
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The only noticeable difference between 290x and 390x is the memory chips as the new ones AMD are using are rated for higher speeds since all cards are now clocked at 6000mhz instead of the previous 5000mhz. Other than that you'd be trying to find differences.. maybe a newer bios but even then unsure.
If you're going to go with bad drivers, I'll go with Nvidia lying to cover their backs
I own both Nvidia and AMD cards and while crossfire isn't as good as sli, single cards are both equal in terms of issues. Bad drivers is a tired cliché when it comes to talking about single cards. Excluding drivers built for reviewing it seems.
Nvidia have been sneeky (see the whole thing with 3dmark03 and the 5900 'ultra) before.
Ya i've never had any issues with Drivers on a single 7950, Nvidia users as of late couldn't say that
. I could pretty much guarantee it's almost always user error and thinking they know what they are doing when they don't. Crossfire I would say is better than Nvidia cards when it comes to at least the AMD cards that use XDMA(crossfire through the bus) as the 290 series were always scaling very well and were very very minor issues with it(outside Gameworks titles obviously but that's a different story). It's lovely because they don't use the crossfire fingers and go through the bus. Ever since they released with the correct drivers they have been pretty much flawless excluding issues with Gameworks supported games. Cards that use the fingers have had more issues but even then the only issue I can think of that was actually worth caring about is the lack of Freesync for Multi GPUs but even then the only cards that can use that were the 290 series and the 285
and now the 300 series all support it(yet to have drivers released for them though so we will see)
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