WYP
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AMD Discrete GPU market share has went down to below 20%, with Nvidia enjoying their dominant position, holding 80% of the market.
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AMD Discrete GPU market share is less than 20%
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Dicehunter
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Their GPU's and drivers aren't the problem, Both work fine and are very competitive, The problem is their CPU's and the people spreading a metric butt ton of misinformation around.
The amount of times lately I've seen people on various forums and even on Facebook complaining that the AMD card they DON'T own will suck up 900W of power and run at 95'c and is 50% less powerful than anything Nvidia has is frighteningly high and the worst part is a lot of newcomers to the PC market listen to them hence sales go down again.
Agost
New member
Well,
AMD GPUs usually have more raw power than nVidia ones, but they usually perform worse in games with the same "numbers" ( GFLOPS and stuff )
That's why I think they have some performance issues related to drivers
barnsley
born in a.....
There is no dispute that nVidia make better drivers (don't believe me? Try Crossfire 
) HOWEVER I think that their drivers aren't so bad to the point where paying the extra for nVidia is really all that justifiable. I personally, as have many other people who've owned/own AMD cards recently, haven't had any real single card issues (mobile notwithstanding).
AMD's cards are still very competitive and (in my experience atleast) reliable. I feel that if AMD were to suddenly increase market share it would not be down to their cards however. I personally think that the only time AMD get a real chance to increase their market share would be if nVidia get too greedy. They (nVidia) already have tried being greedy once with one particular card and they got laughed off the stage so I doubt they'll try that with a mainstream card.
AMD have every ability to bounce back IMO, maybe not in the flagship GPU area just yet though. I know a few friends who're swapping out their old 670s for 2/390s and it seems that AMD might gain a % or two in market share if they can nail their upcoming cards.
) HOWEVER I think that their drivers aren't so bad to the point where paying the extra for nVidia is really all that justifiable. I personally, as have many other people who've owned/own AMD cards recently, haven't had any real single card issues (mobile notwithstanding).AMD's cards are still very competitive and (in my experience atleast) reliable. I feel that if AMD were to suddenly increase market share it would not be down to their cards however. I personally think that the only time AMD get a real chance to increase their market share would be if nVidia get too greedy. They (nVidia) already have tried being greedy once with one particular card and they got laughed off the stage so I doubt they'll try that with a mainstream card.
AMD have every ability to bounce back IMO, maybe not in the flagship GPU area just yet though. I know a few friends who're swapping out their old 670s for 2/390s and it seems that AMD might gain a % or two in market share if they can nail their upcoming cards.
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
Crossifre isn't much of a problem compared to couple years back where the micro stutter was just awful. Now a days it's far better but I'd say they are on par with Nvidia in SLI/Xfire. Microstutter won't go away in either and recently Nvidia have had more driver issues than AMD. On the driver front, I don't think one has any advantage over the other. AMD cards do scale better(with XDMA and up at least) and it's amazing how Nvidia cards don't scale as well despite everyone claiming how horrid AMD drivers are..
The mid tier high end cards such as the 390/390x, are literally the kings right now. The 970 only compares with the 390 but both OC'd they are still equal, slight edge to 390. The 390x stock is on par with the 980, however i'd say just slightly slower(still cheaper though), but both OC'd and it just scales up. Again, 390x is cheaper though. All this yet with double the Vram. Insane price/performance, yet no one cares. The Fury is same price as a 980 but yet much faster. The only place AMD falls is with the Fury X yet against the 980ti it's probably no more than 5% overall slower both OC'd. TX remains the supreme.
I also agree with Dice. AMD have amazing cards but yet with so much misinformation out there, it's trying to climb Mt. Everst without boots on... it'll be a challenge or nigh on impossible. Nvidia have screwed up so much in the past year yet everyone forgives them. If AMD screw up it's WWIII. I swear it's Apple vs Android in the GPU market.
The mid tier high end cards such as the 390/390x, are literally the kings right now. The 970 only compares with the 390 but both OC'd they are still equal, slight edge to 390. The 390x stock is on par with the 980, however i'd say just slightly slower(still cheaper though), but both OC'd and it just scales up. Again, 390x is cheaper though. All this yet with double the Vram. Insane price/performance, yet no one cares. The Fury is same price as a 980 but yet much faster. The only place AMD falls is with the Fury X yet against the 980ti it's probably no more than 5% overall slower both OC'd. TX remains the supreme.
I also agree with Dice. AMD have amazing cards but yet with so much misinformation out there, it's trying to climb Mt. Everst without boots on... it'll be a challenge or nigh on impossible. Nvidia have screwed up so much in the past year yet everyone forgives them. If AMD screw up it's WWIII. I swear it's Apple vs Android in the GPU market.
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Dicehunter
Resident Newb
Only yesterday did I have to correct some work mates of mine who were ragging on AMD being the hottest running GPU's in history that draw 1 million watts from the wall, They were convinced that AMD was leagues behind Nvidia when in actual fact they are right there with them.
Whoever is responsible for this mass misinformation has done an incredible job on this smear campaign.
After showing them this and performance number i.e FPS are nigh on equal and temps are lower they were like "So who keeps spreading round all this info then ?" which has me thinking Nvidia might have a part to play in all this as they don't seem to take kindly to competition especially as AMD's cards in the Alpha of Ashes of the Singularity beat Nvidias cards and then Nvidia threw a hissy fit and blamed the games devs -
cooperman
New member
I remember my old gtx 460 running at 100c underload and sounding like a hover i am glad those days have gone. ^_^
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
Only yesterday did I have to correct some work mates of mine who were ragging on AMD being the hottest running GPU's in history that draw 1 million watts from the wall, They were convinced that AMD was leagues behind Nvidia when in actual fact they are right there with them.
Whoever is responsible for this mass misinformation has done an incredible job on this smear campaign.
After showing them this and performance number i.e FPS are nigh on equal and temps are lower they were like "So who keeps spreading round all this info then ?" which has me thinking Nvidia might have a part to play in all this as they don't seem to take kindly to competition especially as AMD's cards in the Alpha of Ashes of the Singularity beat Nvidias cards and then Nvidia threw a hissy fit and blamed the games devs -
Nvidia have a history of being greedy and shady. They also always have to have center of attention. This could play a part in misinformation because every time AMD launches a card, Nvidia cards just so happen to arrive at the same time. Then reviewers think let's compare them then they make every flaw in AMD noticed whereas the Nvidia cards don't get much attention except for prasies. It's been a cycle for a while with this happening.
And yes, AMD did very well with AotS and Nvidia instantly blamed the Devs yet AMD isn't having the same issues with their drivers. It's like the rich kid on the block having the most money to spend but when something they do is wrong they blame others. It is just sad in the end AMD is looked at as the bad guy these days, people need to stop spreading misinformation around and look at the facts.
the_weegie
New member
I think it's possibly a historical thing. A lot was made in reviews of how hot the HD 6XXX and HD 7XXX series cards got, and how much power they consumed versus the comparable nvidia cards. And when people hear new cards are being brought out they think these will have the same problems as old. I don't think it's helped when something like the R9 295x2 is released with the aio watercooler, regardless of how powerful it is, that just gives people more ammo.
From my own experiences (and I stress, this is ONLY from MY OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCES) with HD 5XXX and HD 6XXX series cards, I never had a card install with no issues, there was always a problem with drivers. Conversely, never once have I had a problem installing an nvidia card, from my GTX 260 through to the GTX 780 I have at the moment. I guess the experiences with cards of old have tainted my view.
From my own experiences (and I stress, this is ONLY from MY OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCES) with HD 5XXX and HD 6XXX series cards, I never had a card install with no issues, there was always a problem with drivers. Conversely, never once have I had a problem installing an nvidia card, from my GTX 260 through to the GTX 780 I have at the moment. I guess the experiences with cards of old have tainted my view.
Agost
New member
The thing I don't get is:
why the 390X has a computational power of 5.9 TFLOPS ( single precision ) and is just as fast as the 980, which has 4.6 TFLOPS? Or even slower in some games; moreover, the 980 overclocks much better.
I know those are just numbers, but why AMD cards can't actually take advantage of all that horsepower? That's why I'm thinking about driver issues
My 5850 was beautiful too.
why the 390X has a computational power of 5.9 TFLOPS ( single precision ) and is just as fast as the 980, which has 4.6 TFLOPS? Or even slower in some games; moreover, the 980 overclocks much better.
I know those are just numbers, but why AMD cards can't actually take advantage of all that horsepower? That's why I'm thinking about driver issues
My 5850 was beautiful too.
cooperman
New member
Differnt architecture's you cant just compare TFLOPS across differnt architecture's and TFLOPS dont mave much to do with gameing perfomance thats more 'compute' and thats why there was a big coin mining craze with AMD cards not too long ago(glad that died off to make cards cheap again)
Snapdragon
New member
With such a huge portion of the market - Is Nvidia going to have to face tougher monopolistic regulation?
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
Not really no unless they paid off a lot of company's like System Builders or OEMs to only use Nvidia cards and not AMDs. Then they would be fined a couple Billion and that money would go to AMD. On top of being fined by the Gov't. Don't know outside the US though.
Agost
New member
Well, GPUs "compute" stuff to render game frames, so...
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
No need to be a smart **. You know what he meant, computing in regards to GPUs processing tasks for professional software using AutoCAD, Adobe Premier, etc.. Not games running off of DX. Totally different ball game there.
cooperman
New member
FLOP is just a simple measure of computing power on floating points, decimals.
These calculations are done on programmable shader units.
FLOPS is BUT ONE of MANY indicators as to a card's performance
Considering games aren't all about floating point operations you cant juge a card by is FLOP's in gameing perfomance.
Agost
New member
Didn't have the intention to look like that
jimma47
New member
Over the last ten or so years I've had an 8600GS, GTX260, 570GTX and now 980s in SLI. I can honestly say I've been told by a number of people I LAN with that work in IT to avoid AMD and that AMD cards have driver issues. Yet only one has actually owned an AMD (ATI at the time and yes it was rubbish) card. The misinformation is strong and it's just become folklore.
I've had problems with NVidia drivers for the last two generations, especially in surround. No product is flawless.
Unfortunately it's word of mouth and one bad review or experience is worth ten good ones. I don't know what the answer is. It's admirable that people such as Dice and NBD are putting their money where their mouth is and switching over. I think the real battle will be the midrange value cards. Yes Bugatti are brilliant ++marketing rep but most people drive Toyotas.
I've had problems with NVidia drivers for the last two generations, especially in surround. No product is flawless.
Unfortunately it's word of mouth and one bad review or experience is worth ten good ones. I don't know what the answer is. It's admirable that people such as Dice and NBD are putting their money where their mouth is and switching over. I think the real battle will be the midrange value cards. Yes Bugatti are brilliant ++marketing rep but most people drive Toyotas.
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
I didn't switch over. I have only ever owned AMD cards. However I do have experience handling Nvidia cards. Honestly both are great it's just misinformation out there. AMD imo have the better cards. It's really the Titan X that AMD can't compete with outside of Crossfire.
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