AMD Delivers! Radeon's newest RDNA 3 GPUs target Nvidia's weakspots

[KingNosser]

Yea they are good so I'd say it's high time them 580 owners got another card lol

Hype RX thou the driver level frame gen very much seems to be not only Q1 but also 7000 series onwards going by another video I saw, but one thing is digital foundry said and they tend to be Nvidia fanboys that FSR3 is mostly on par with DLSS3 in terms of visuals.

FSR3 has they frame gen on older cards, but that hypeRX doesn't seem to be the same not sure what they are doing differently or if the driver level frame gen will work on older cards just not via HypeRX.

Still I could be tempted next year around spring if prices drop more and get a 7900XTX

 

[AlienALX]

The more I think about it the more I don't think the 7700XT is bad. Reviewers will probably say it is though.

It just reminds me of the GTX 970 and GTX 980 in a lot of ways. A lot of people did buy the 980, and it turned out to be worth it (sorta kinda) but at the end of the day a lot bought the 970 also.

Sure, it is "only" £50 cheaper. Thing is no one has mentioned its performance and tbh it can be as much as 10% slower and still be worth it. Why? because it is 10% cheaper, and for all we know it could be as fast given the clock boost.

A lot will see it as "it's only £50" kinda like I do, but fifty quid is fifty quid. And if you are still on 1080p and are going to stay there? it could well be worth saving the £50.

I guess a lot of it depends on how long 12gb VRAM will cut it, but at £450 if it is a top end 1080p card I think it would be fine.

Take away Starfield? there is your £50 instantly, so I think as soon as that promotion comes to an end they will be cheaper end of.

 

[KingNosser]

Oh they will sell and they will fall in price, soon as that 6k stock is gone.

I'll be real honest here price isn't always the key factor, it's simply if you have the money at the time, so for me atm if I had 1k then yep 7900XTX job done, but atm i've spent £650 on storage and going to focus on the bills and odd game and once i'm more able then of course jump on something.

These cards are decent the gap is small but for me i'd take the vram without doubt, but like you say at 1080p you'd really just get something like that or in truth even cheaper like the 7600.

life is always want vs need and generally you tend to put your needs aside to get the things you want within reason.

 

[AlienALX]

Oh they will sell and they will fall in price, soon as that 6k stock is gone.

I'll be real honest here price isn't always the key factor, it's simply if you have the money at the time, so for me atm if I had 1k then yep 7900XTX job done, but atm i've spent £650 on storage and going to focus on the bills and odd game and once i'm more able then of course jump on something.

These cards are decent the gap is small but for me i'd take the vram without doubt, but like you say at 1080p you'd really just get something like that or in truth even cheaper like the 7600.

life is always want vs need and generally you tend to put your needs aside to get the things you want within reason.

My last three? price has 100% been the factor.

I paid £1800 for a 2080ti. Kingpin. After that I have bought a 6800XT, 6700XT and 6950XT. For less than that one GPU.

It is always about price to perf for me. The 2080ti was the one time I clearly didn't care about that. Before that day I had never spent over £700 on a GPU, and will never do so again. Not ever, no matter how supposedly good it may be.

In fact, the 7800XT is 99% going to be my next buy to replace the 6700XT. I am just incredibly relieved that for £500 if a GPU dies I can just buy one without having to go without little else for two months.

This is AMDs Maxwell moment. I don't care what the naysayers say. Even if the 7800XT is the same exact speed as the 6800XT it doesn't matter. It is still £150 less, you will be able to buy it and most importantly it is fast.

I don't even care what Nvidia do any more. I really just don't.

 

[KingNosser]

well price performance matters but so long as the price fits the performance it's a non issue to me tbh, I either have it or i don't an example would be a card that beats the 4090 but is way more performing and just means the cost is 2x but that it matches up to that value.

I see the maxwell moment being the 9k series when it's not just chiplets around the chip but also multi chip design and works, to me any company that is still monolithic has little chance of meeting that due to different reasons with the size of the die and power.

but prices had to come down and even the 7900XT is a far better value than it was but i'm sure at some point in the future they will go back up, but nm level is going to hit a wall and so chiplet is the only way and look at the size of the cards now.

Nvidia own what 75% of the market atm and between Intel and AMD over the next ten years outside of AI which AMD are making ground on server wise it's going to change just a matter of time no different to how the swing will eventually go back into Intels favour with CPU's but after the last 5 years i see the progress being made and the ark but of course a time will come when the ark has to change again and that is where the massive RND cost is and atm AMD are able to spend more than in a long time on RND.

to me sure DXR is a key issue where Nvidia lead but it's almost getting to the point where that advantage in the general sense is not an issue any longer and even now unless 4k it's decent enough.

I couldn't see myself going over 1k on a GPU myself ever as they are maybe 4-5 years lifetime but the further down the stack you buy the more often your need to buy it, some people are fine spending and upgrading often it's a big hobby but for me i do always aim for something that will last a time.

I can see the 7800XT being better at DXR and in rasta not massively ahead of the 6800XT to warrant it, but for me the 7900XTX would be worth it for HypeRX it really just depends on in Q1 how good that is and how much i need it due to FSR3 coming far sooner, or if fluid works on DX11-12 games but outside of HypeRX on a driver level time will tell.

but there £500 for a decent GPU that will last 3-4 years is a massive thing that has been needed for 4 years, but maxwell was massive and to me this while very good, the best is yet to come, the chiplet layout they have been working on is super intresting I just wish there was a lot more info on it, but that cache i feel is another area where they are going to develop further taking what they know from Zen and x3D and moving the packaging tech and knowledge in general to other products.

When you think AMD's share price not so long ago was $2 a share they have come a long long way and really turned things around but are now moving along hitting most targets and progressing and so long as they don't change the formular much in what they are doing, then it's really not going to be long before they are in a great position.

The maxwell moment in my view is when AMD are no longer afraid to mass produce knowing themselves they have a very good advantage with a product and atm there biggest focus is server and desktop, gpu is moving but even next year the laptop market is a point of focus, but Intel even has some interesting ideas and there laptops could be very very power saving when it comes to all day life, sure gaming is one thing but for biz there laptops could be a massive sale area.

I honestly think nvidia or any company while going heavy on AI now and making good profits of course makes sense but in time the demand is going to die off somewhat due to it being good enough and even with the h100 vs a100 they are dealing with that now as outside of the huge tech the more lower down person that is just interested in AI is buying the a100 as they can get more for less and what semi pro person really has 30k to spend on something like that.

The other thing of interest is navi 4c or even zen 5c same performance yet more crammed in the same space they have so many options with the ark they worked on and jim keller was hella smart to design it to be so scalable in that way.

 

[AlienALX]

Dude have you looked around?

Igor did some simulated benchmarks, using a workstation card. The 7800XT is 10-20 faster than a 6800XT. That means that basically? it is as fast as a 6950XT. For five hundred dollars. Let that sink in. That is past gen flagship performance at half the price.

If that isn't a Maxwell moment then IDK WTF is.

It's a huge win for gamers.

 

[KingNosser]

we'll see once actual reviews are out from everyone, but this in my view is not the maxwell moment merely the step towards it, but it shows just how much better the 7900XT/XTX should have been.

The gap between a 6800XT and the 6900/50XT is not really any different to the 7700XT vs the 7800XT.

Where the card should be better is DXR if it's not noticeable then it's a shame as the gain there is my interest, the AMD cards have more than enough rasta.

Still not like many listened to me years back when I got mine, not just you but many here saw things very differently than I did.

 

[AlienALX]

we'll see once actual reviews are out from everyone, but this in my view is not the maxwell moment merely the step towards it, but it shows just how much better the 7900XT/XTX should have been.

The gap between a 6800XT and the 6900/50XT is not really any different to the 7700XT vs the 7800XT.

Where the card should be better is DXR if it's not noticeable then it's a shame as the gain there is my interest, the AMD cards have more than enough rasta.

Still not like many listened to me years back when I got mine, not just you but many here saw things very differently than I did.

The gap from the 6800XT to the 6900XT was pitiful. 10% at most. The gap between the 6800XT and 6950XT is huge.

https://tech4gamers.com/rx-6950-xt-...The RX 6950 XT had,slower than the other card.

The RX 6950 XT had an average framerate of 106 FPS during the testing at 1440p, whereas the RX 6800 XT had a framerate of 88 FPS as an average over ten games. This result cements the 6800 XT about 18% slower than the other card

18%. That is a lot. So from what I am reading the 7800XT is going to be about as fast. Even IF the 7800XT was 5% slower than the 6800XT it is still £150 cheaper than the RRP of the 6800XT was at launch, and we all know that was BS. My Strix RRP was a grand.

Face it dude, you're getting entitled. Before you start with the argument that the 6800XT can be had for about £520 (and it is a good point, I am just covering it to save more rebuttals) it is a two year old or more tech, uses a lot more power but most importantly it is going to be WAY faster in RT. Like, to the point where you could actually play heavy RT games with it. Which is not even possible on the 6800XT.

I think a lot of people did not even bother to watch the 6950XT reviews when it launched. I didn't until I was about to buy one. But, the fact is? it is a fudging fast card. It was just released in poor taste, which is why no one bothered to watch reviews of it. I mean, why would you? you couldn't exactly go out and buy one could you?

BTW going back to the 77? yeah it is a bad card. They DID show benchmarks, and it gets its ass handed to it by the 78. I still don't think it is a terrible price, it's just a card you should avoid for the sake of £50.

However, at $450 I don't think it is a bad price. Not with Starfield SE. It just totally isn't worth bothering with over the 7800XT, because the 7800XT looks so damn good.

 

[KingNosser]

18fps is not exactly mind blowing, like i said it's the DXR where I'm interested as I want to see the gains made. Outside of Dying light 2 and cyberpunk I don't really have issues with DXR at all these days due to FSR for the most part.

The only part I am just not going to agree with you on where we will have to part ways, is to me it's not a maxwell moment it's a single card not a whole stack.

10 less CU's so the gain in DXR is all i'm intrested in, but i expect by spring if HypeRX is only going to work on 7000 series then i do expect i will get a 7900XTX unless fluid works on a driver level without HypeRX but until Q1 I'll not know as just too early to say.

Plus it's actually £180 lower than a 6800XT was at launch but it doesn't change my opinion, Just cause we have this back and forth discussion to hear each others viewpoint it's not an argument alright, then if you take into account the crazy prices at the time mine was selling for £1500 so of course it's a decent card needed for a long time.

 

[AngryGoldfish]

I'm a mac on YouTube called RDNA3 AMD's 'Bulldozer' moment. Alien says it's their 'Maxwell' moment. Which one is it?

Neither, really, since Maxwell had a whole range of excellent cards (RDNA3 is only Maxwell-like in the 7800XT, and that's not out yet), and Bulldozer was not competitive in the high-end (the XTX is capable enough in the high-end; you would not be seen as foolish to buy one for 4k gaming).

The 7800XT looks like it could potentially be the standout, while cards like the 7900XT did not stand out at all. The 7600 was originally intended to be DOA. The 7700XT seems pointless. The XTX was both overpriced and good value, just because the 4080 was so absurdly bad.

I don't see how either of these are Maxwell or Bulldozer moments.