AMD announce a 12 core CPU coming?

[WYP]

Don't generalise. You've got to remember that not everyone has the money to put an i7 in a gaming machine. AMD aren't gunning for the i7, I don't think you understand that. They've given up with going for the high end ages ago and instead are betting on small, efficient cpus for the lower end/tablets. APUs make much more sense in a HPC for example.

There are also plenty of low end laptop gamers out there.

I spent years on a laptop with a dual core Pentium and Intel chipset Graphics (could barely run C&C Generals, not that that stopped me), APUs really give decent performance for these guys at a really low price. Not everybody can afford a "proper" gaming PC

 

[Xrqute]

when i read it initially all i thought was-

"We can't beat their cores, So here HAVE MOAR!!!!! COOORRRREESSS!!!!"

 

[MadShadow]

And 90% of all users are either casual gamers or not gamers at all. APUs have a far larger audience than CPUs. You have to realize that people like us are a minority.

I guess we are a minority then. I never really thought about that. Depending in the price, I suppose this APU does make sense.

 

[stampedeadam]

The number/quality of graphics cores on AMD processors are as irrelevant as the Intel HD graphics 3000/4000/4200/4600/5000 etc. etc.

The bottom line is, if you are a gamer/video editor/designer etc. etc. you need a graphics card because even the best of these won't be good enough. If you are not a gamer (beyond bubblewitch/cut-the-rope/angry birds), the worst of them will do the job just as well.

The whole thing leaves me confused. Why even bother?

 

[RamboOC]

I wish they would bring back the phenom series, that was back when i though that intel was on par with amd

 

[MadShadow]

The number/quality of graphics cores on AMD processors are as irrelevant as the Intel HD graphics 3000/4000/4200/4600/5000 etc. etc.

The bottom line is, if you are a gamer/video editor/designer etc. etc. you need a graphics card because even the best of these won't be good enough. If you are not a gamer (beyond bubblewitch/cut-the-rope/angry birds), the worst of them will do the job just as well.

The whole thing leaves me confused. Why even bother?

The graphics on AMD APUs are far better than on Intel CPUs. It makes sense for casual gamers on a budget.

 

[RizeAllard]

I also build PC-on these APU-s. They are realy good at those price points where they are in. Theres lots of people in Hungary who cannot afford i5 of i7 and a discrete gpu on their rigs, and there comes AMD with APU. I know they not have as much compute power as i5 but! they can give you the oportunity to play games on low cost. The "gamers" i've built PC on APUs are mainly playing online games like war thunder, World of Tanks, or Word of Planes, and so on. And its integrated gpu is more then enought for them.
My father use this rig:http://forum.overclock3d.net/showthread.php?t=65748
He can play with medium settings on 1080p at 35fps.

 

[Thelosouvlakia]

Who said that 220TDP was a boundary...
Nyehehehe AMD will destroy the earth!
If however amd pushes out an 8-core APU that performs even as good as an i5 in terms of CPU performance I would be more than happy

 

[barnsley]

The bottom line is, if you are a gamer/video editor/designer etc. etc. you need a graphics card because even the best of these won't be good enough. If you are not a gamer (beyond bubblewitch/cut-the-rope/angry birds), the worst of them will do the job just as well.

The whole thing leaves me confused. Why even bother?

Budget. Build.

For the price they're decent. Also, they get playable framerate in pretty much ever game at 1080p. Oh, also anything that uses OpenCL and OpenGL it actually does better than low end i5s and i3s.

The APU isn't made for enthusiasts, people have got to remember this .

 

[Dussan]

I honestly love the concept of apu's and have built rigs for friends on budget for cs go and bf3 / LoL and others that doesn't require that much hardware.

no matter what AMD has in stock its gonna be interesting in the budget segment, g3258 showed there is a market for it.

 

[stampedeadam]

I understand the budget thing. I used to be a skint student who loved his Athlon XP and Geforce 4MX - overclocked the living cack out of both of them... but...

Having had a look at the benchmarks here

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2014/01/30/amd-a10-7850k-and-a10-7700k-kaveri-review/8

Even on very low detail settings the very best chip - the A10-7850k - gives barely playable framerates. And even then, only if you're prepared to buy high end RAM (APU uses system memory for the frame buffer). BUT - it does mean that you don't have the expense of a GPU. So let's do the working out - new components for both "traditional" GPU/CPU/mobo and APU setups.

The APU is available on ebay for about £125 new and you can get an FM2+ mobo for about £30 if you look hard enough. So £155 total.

Traditional setup all from ebuyer.com - free delivery too:

Pentium G3258 -£46.98
Asrock H81 mobo (overclocking capable) - £29.79
MSI GTX 750 OC - £81.99

So we have gone over budget by £2 or so but - we can use cheaper RAM with very little difference on performance and - isn't that setup going to be better?

 

[barnsley]

I understand the budget thing. I used to be a skint student who loved his Athlon XP and Geforce 4MX - overclocked the living cack out of both of them... but...

Having had a look at the benchmarks here

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2014/01/30/amd-a10-7850k-and-a10-7700k-kaveri-review/8

Even on very low detail settings the very best chip - the A10-7850k - gives barely playable framerates. And even then, only if you're prepared to buy high end RAM. BUT - it does mean that you don't have the expense of a GPU. So let's do the working out - new components for both "traditional" GPU/CPU/mobo and APU setups.

The APU is available on ebay for about £125 new and you can get an FM2+ mobo for about £30 if you look hard enough. So £155 total.

Traditional setup all from ebuyer.com - free delivery too:

Pentium G3258 -£46.98
Asrock H81 mobo (overclocking capable) - £29.79
MSI GTX 750 OC - £81.99

So we have gone over budget by £2 or so but - we can use cheaper RAM with very little difference on performance and - isn't that setup going to be better?

Yes and no. depends on the games in question. Also I don't think that motherboard would be a good idea to OC on .

 

[stampedeadam]

You might argue that putting a few more quid in the pot for better quality mobo is a good idea - but you could argue that for both setups really - both setups are going to need an overclock to give of their best.

 

[RizeAllard]

You might argue that putting a few more quid in the pot for better quality mobo is a good idea - but you could argue that for both setups really - both setups are going to need an overclock to give of their best.

Overclocking is not an option for the most of the users has these configs. I know lot of people around me who do not know what BIOS is meaning. Most of these people use computers from this price point. They purchase a computer what their purce can take mainly between 300-400 euro. They don't care whats in it. They just want to turn it on and play a game or watch a movie. They wont use the latest games on ultra hd displays. Do not compare their needs with yours. I'am also an enthusiast man. I always push money in my rig to go on with the latest hardwares. But I can also confirm that these apu-s much better in some cases then the intel pentiums or i3-s as well.