AMD announce 3 new AM3+ FX CPUs

[WYP]

Alongside the launch of AMD's new R9 285 series GPUs, AMD is refreshing it's FX series with higher performing and lower TDP FX variants.

Read more on AMD's newest FX CPUs here.

 

[vicsrealms]

Now if a lot of the motherboard manufactures would refresh those old boards to try and keep up with Intel. Might make me swing over to AMD since I blew my Z77 motherboard. Especially if they move push out an AM3+ mini-ITX and the abysmal selection of Micro-ATX boards. Here is hoping AMD can finally bring some competition for a change.

 

[WYP]

Now if a lot of the motherboard manufactures would refresh those old boards to try and keep up with Intel. Might make me swing over to AMD since I blew my Z77 motherboard. Especially if they move push out an AM3+ mini-ITX and the abysmal selection of Micro-ATX boards. Here is hoping AMD can finally bring some competition for a change.

To be honest mate newer board won't help them perform well against Intel. This is a simple CPU refresh.

Without a new CPU architecture or chipset new motherboards are unlikely, the future of AMD is FM2+ or another new socket.

 

[vorticalbox]

To be honest mate newer board won't help them perform well against Intel. This is a simple CPU refresh.

Without a new CPU architecture or chipset new motherboards are unlikely, the future of AMD is FM2+ or another new socket.

I like how this architecture works, It is a nice step away from before. it just needs to work a little better on single cores.

I been thinking about if i was upgrading i would like to go amd, just mostly to be a bit different and to help a bit.

 

[WYP]

I like how this architecture works, It is a nice step away from before. it just needs to work a little better on single cores.

I been thinking about if i was upgrading i would like to go amd, just mostly to be a bit different and to help a bit.

TBH if I were to go AMD I'd wait for the Stemroller Athlon K, it will have stronger cores and generally most things don't need more than 4 cores.

 

[Wraith]

Pretty cool but is there any need really, all I want to see from AMD right now is a refined roadmap and what they have in store for future development.

I am glad however that we're not reporting on the AMD "Price slash" getting everyones hopes up, unlike other tech sites.. because they all fail to mention it's only a price cut for tray bought CPUs with a minimum order of 10 per tray. So not really any savings to be had unless your a e-tailer.

 

[unclefapsalot]

I am ever so slightly confused by these 8370's .... if they are the same speed, 4.1/4.3 (which is pretty high, I must say) what exactly is different about the 8370E that gives it the 30w lower tdp? Is it just a matter of throttling, or is there a silicon difference, more than just better binned? My guess is either there going to be some severe throttling happening, because 30w doesn't just disappear from binning. Or maybe they were a little too generous with how they calculated the TDP. Maybe they combined throttling with assuming the E will have a different work scenario? Just a guess.

But i'm positive that, being at the same price point, they're the same chip.

odd chips, these.

 

[WYP]

I am ever so slightly confused by these 8370's .... if they are the same speed, 4.1/4.3 (which is pretty high, I must say) what exactly is different about the 8370E that gives it the 30w lower tdp? Is it just a matter of throttling, or is there a silicon difference, more than just better binned? My guess is either there going to be some severe throttling happening, because 30w doesn't just disappear from binning. Or maybe they were a little too generous with how they calculated the TDP. Maybe they combined throttling with assuming the E will have a different work scenario? Just a guess.

But i'm positive that, being at the same price point, they're the same chip.

odd chips, these.

From what was said in the stream, the E version doesn't stay at the boost frequency as long and will clock down faster when not under load, and potentially clock lower when not under load.

It is the same idea as the configurable TDPs of Kaveri CPUs, simply put AMD can't make TDP switch-able in the bios unlike Kaveri, hence two SKUs

Here is amd's slide on how it works in kaveri. (full article here)

I hope this answers your questions.

 

[shambles1980]

still not that impressed with the TDP on these. i was hoping to see the highest speed ones be at 95w to be honest. that would have been much better for clocking. They can take a good deal of volts though them. but if you need a phase change cooler, and a 12+4 power phase board to get the most out of them that kind of prevents your target market getting the most out of them because they would be budget builders.
im sure serious overclocks will be able to get some good numbers out of these things. but vs a 4 core i7 even at lower clocks i cant see them being the enthusiasts choice.

Personally i think they needed to double the amount of fp units in each module (i wont call them cores) i know they have stated that its the integers that are importaint "so thats what they count as a core rather than a traditional core" and they could try to shorten the pipe lines.
but so much more could have been done with these chips if they had just carried on from the phenom's core architecture.

I hope they decide that these modules aren't really working for enthusiast cpu's and go back to the drawing board and start from the phenoms and just improve on that. because i would really like to see amd make an enthusiast cpu that has clock for clock and core for core performance on a similar level to intel.
There really should not need to be a choice between a i5 and an fx-83xx cpu, if they are the same or similar price, honestly there shouldn't be a choice between an i5 and a fx-63xx cpu at the same price point either. but as it stands now. i would still get an i5 before an fx-83xx even if the i5 is a bit more expensive, which is a real disappointment.
The only choice there should be is do i get an i5 or an fx-43xx (pay more for slightly better i5 performance) to be here thinking well i could get an fx-8370 or i could get an i5 and for the most part the i5 will do slightly better in the tasks i use it for is just a bit upsetting.
What ever happened to "do i get a q6600 or a phenom x4 9500" days.
i miss that kind of decision really was down to which one i could get cheapest.

 

[barnsley]

Dependant on what you do FX chips can still be competitive, especially at the price range.
shame that said competitiveness is in pretty unique circumstances.

 

[CreatiXx]

why does every one always scream about the TDP? Really dont get it so can some one plz explain

 

[WYP]

why does every one always scream about the TDP? Really dont get it so can some one plz explain

In essence TDP is a term for thermal/ heat output, higher the TDP the hotter the product.

But a TDP of 125w vs 95w doesn't mean that there is necessarily 30w saved at the wall. It's kinda complex.

Hopefully when OC3D gets a chance to test AMD's configurable TDP products we can properly test the affect at the wall aswell as temps.

 

[RamboOC]

but so much more could have been done with these chips if they had just carried on from the phenom's core architecture.
....

What ever happened to "do i get a q6600 or a phenom x4 9500" days.
i miss that kind of decision really was down to which one i could get cheapest.

I totally agree with this. The phenoms were beasts for their time. TBH, i would choose the older 6 core phenom over fx 6100.
Thats when i really considered amd cpu's to be on par with the intel ones. Often the same performance at lower price. After the i7's came out i think amd rushed to make something new but failed. the 4 core phenom 965 at 3.2ghz would beat a fx 4100 at 3.5ghz, how come newer= worse.

EDIT

why does every one always scream about the TDP? Really dont get it so can some one plz explain

Usually you can get higher overclocks from a lower tdp cpu.
also that means less noise, less heat, lower power consumption

there were 2 revisions of phenom 965 be
on was 95w
the other was 120w

as you would expect, the 95w (usually) needed a lot less volts to overclock to 4ghz than the revision with 120 tdp.

 

[shambles1980]

big clue is the T in Tdp stands for thermal.
so the higher the TDP the more cooling it needs at stock voltages and clock speeds.
the higher the tdp also is an indication that it uses more voltage.

so in theory "all things being equal" a 95w with the same base clocks as a 125w TDP cpu will be able to clock higher with the same cooling.
So really the lower the tdp the better. the cooler it will be generally the less voltages it will need and the higer you should be able to overclock it "still have the silicone lottery though"

 

[barnsley]

I totally agree with this. The phenoms were beasts for their time. TBH, i would choose the older 6 core phenom over fx 6100.
Thats when i really considered amd cpu's to be on par with the intel ones. Often the same performance at lower price. After the i7's came out i think amd rushed to make something new but failed. the 4 core phenom 955 be at 3.2ghz would beat a fx 4100 at 3.5ghz, how come newer= worse.

The fx 4300 is on par with a 965. AMD really messed up with Bulldozer. If they had just released Piledriver they'd have done better.

Piledriver is heaps better than Bulldozer was, it was just released at the wrong time completely. For example my ol' 8320 is faster @ stock then a slightly OC'd 8150.

 

[Thelosouvlakia]

Roy announced a "significant" price drop on the 9590. They should drop it about 100Euros if they want to make that "value" thing valid

 

[Dicehunter]

AMD need to ditch AM3+ and bring something new out that can compete directly with Intels high end parts, AM3+ came out in 2010'ish ?

They need to step up their game.

 

[Thelosouvlakia]

@dicehunter
A new socket would be nice... Maybe amd could also ditch pins on the cpu and go for LGA style AM4

 

[Dicehunter]

@dicehunter
A new socket would be nice... Maybe amd could also ditch pins on the cpu and go for LGA style AM4

Would make installing less of a nightmare, Hate installing AMD CPU's, Always feel like the pins are going to break.

 

[Tripp]

Would make installing less of a nightmare, Hate installing AMD CPU's, Always feel like the pins are going to break.

Never had a problem installing them myself